Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 17:05 UTC
Windows Two links to Marco Arment within a few days? Well, if you make good points: "Many Windows developers were upset that iOS development had to be done on a Mac, but it didn't hurt Apple: the most important developers for iOS apps were already using Macs. But the success of Windows 8 and Windows Phone in the consumer space requires many of those consumer-product developers, now entrenched in the Apple ecosystem, to care so much about Windows development that they want to use Windows to develop for it. How likely is that?" As usual a bit too Apple-centric (he implies - as explicit as possible while still being implicit - that only iOS developers can create great applications), but his point still stands. Judging by the abysmal quality of Microsoft's own Metro applications (Mail, Video, Music, People, IE10, etc.), even Microsoft doesn't know how to create great Metro applications.
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Comment by sagum
by sagum on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 18:10 UTC
sagum
Member since:
2006-01-23

"Judging by the abysmal quality of Microsoft's own Metro applications (Mail, Video, Music, People, IE10, etc.), even Microsoft doesn't know how to create great Metro applications"

I get slammed every time I say that, but its really one of the biggest things that irks me the most. Microsoft prancing around trying to tell us how great Metro is, yet their own apps that they ship with preview builds such as Consumer Preview, aren't anything special that would warrent people to get remotely excited.
In fact, they are terrible. They'd be a key reason NOT to want to use Windows 8, buy a Windows Phone, or even develop for their ecosystem. Their own core apps far worse then their 'classic' Windows counter parts. Upgrade to Windows 8 with metro? nah its more like a downgrade if thats the best they can come up with.

Sure Microsoft can upgrade their mail, pictures etc Metor apps for release, or even afterwards, but they've got to create apps that are better then existing programs (or even webpages!) that people are currently using. If they can't do that, its not an upgrade for users or developers.

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RE: Comment by sagum
by fatjoe on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 18:31 in reply to "Comment by sagum"
fatjoe Member since:
2010-01-12

First of all, why are everyone making judgement on unfinished and early preview apps?

Secondly, these apps are SIMPLIFIED. They are meant to be easy to use even for people with no computer experience. This is new direction for Microsoft that we should applaud not ridicule.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/03/windows-8-mai...

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RE[2]: Comment by sagum
by reduz on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 18:57 in reply to "RE: Comment by sagum"
reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

I'm sorry but the "more accessible because it's simpler" argument doesn't work. People mainly learns when there is a need for it, and accessibility comes second as a plus.
Facebook is a prime example of of accessibility vs need and Apple does a great job in promoting their products as needed to belong to a social status.

But for Microsoft and Windows 8, the argument is pretty much.. what is the need for it? what does it change? why should people care?

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Take it as an opportunity
by B. Janssen on Sun 24th Jun 2012 08:09 in reply to "Comment by sagum"
B. Janssen Member since:
2006-10-11

Seriously. Take it as an opportunity. The Apple iOS platform has good applications such as Sparrow because the native e-mail client sucks very hard.

If MS stock offerings don't satisfy, built a better one. You will have customers.

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RE: Comment by sagum
by modmans2ndcoming on Mon 25th Jun 2012 01:42 in reply to "Comment by sagum"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

Who do you think developed most of the example apps on Win8? the core dev team? Hell no...they are far to busy doing their regular job. Interns write those apps and interns are.....LEARNING.

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