Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Jun 2012 08:50 UTC
Microsoft The New York Times further fans the flames of the emerging uneasiness between Microsoft and its hardware partners. As the paper reports, Microsoft decided it needed to get into the hardware game (with Surface) after the utter failure of HP's Slate 500 Windows 7 tablet. "Microsoft worked with other hardware partners to devise products that would be competitive with the iPad, but it ran into disagreements over designs and prices. 'Faith had been lost' at Microsoft in its hardware partners, including by Steven Sinofsky, the powerful president of Microsoft's Windows division, according to [a] former Microsoft executive." The biggest news is not Surface itself. It's the changing industry it represents. Microsoft failed to deliver capable smartphone/tablet software, which pissed off OEMs, who, in turn, turned to Android (and webOS for HP) - which in turn pissed off Microsoft, leading to Surface. Had Microsoft gotten its act together sooner, we'd have had far better OEM products.
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Microsoft missed the boat
by PieterGen on Mon 25th Jun 2012 09:36 UTC
PieterGen
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2012-01-13

I'd say that it was mainly Microsoft who failed. From a consumer view, what innovation have we seen from Microsoft the past 15 years? The OS is basically the same (NT=XP=Vista=Win7). Yes, some eyecandy was added (Aero, gradients, drop shadows).

And what about the 'killer apps' Outlook and MS Office? The same lack of innovation. After 15 years living together in the suite, Word still does not recognize Excell files. The Ribbon was an innovation, but one leading to less screen real estate and more clicks. And Outlook? A slew of uninuitive menus, cripple search engine, pathetic web service (Outlook Web Exchange).

I'm not even talking about the bizar license schemes, with titles as the Consumer Ultimate Extra Student Business Server Edition 2011. And I'm not talking about language support either. OSX and Linux get this right: there is one application and then you have several language packs. But MS does this more complex: MS Office English is a different program from MS Office French. Imagine the "joys" this brings in a multi-language company.....

Then came the iPad, the iPhone. And Android phones and Android tablets. Wow! A breath of fresh air, inituitive menus, a joy to work with. Now the bulk of Windows consumers saw what OSX and Linux users had seen all along: who old and stale Windows was. Now finally MS is starting to move. Win8 is controversial, and not my cup of tea, but at last we are seeing some movement. It wasn't the hardware companies who were slow, it was MS. Remember Steve Ballmer laughing over the iPhone? "A 500 dollar phone?" ;)

Edited 2012-06-25 09:38 UTC

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RE: Microsoft missed the boat
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 25th Jun 2012 09:52 in reply to "Microsoft missed the boat"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I'd say that it was mainly Microsoft who failed. From a consumer view, what innovation have we seen from Microsoft the past 15 years? The OS is basically the same (NT=XP=Vista=Win7). Yes, some eyecandy was added (Aero, gradients, drop shadows).


...and yet another person who completely disregards the fact that virtually everything - frameworks, stacks, etc. - has been rewritten or massively overhauled between XP and 7, a process that's nearing completion with Windows 8.

Come on guys, I expect comments like this on Engadget, but not here. You guys know better than this.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Come on guys, I expect comments like this on Engadget, but not here. You guys know better than this.


Some people just love to hate Microsoft, without recognizing that all behave the same.

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RE[2]: Microsoft missed the boat
by zima on Mon 25th Jun 2012 10:27 in reply to "RE: Microsoft missed the boat"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Come on guys, I expect comments like this on Engadget, but not here. You guys know better than this.

Wasn't ~"Operating Systems News" more prominent in the past layout? Perhaps now, with just OSNews (is Exploring the Future of Computing), we largely have a crowd who gathered here thinking it's about open source ...so of course anything-Microsoft needs to be suppressed or ridiculed.

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RE[2]: Microsoft missed the boat
by Radio on Mon 25th Jun 2012 10:32 in reply to "RE: Microsoft missed the boat"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

That is true.

But:

On the other hand, Microsoft did fail to offer a compelling touch-based UI for tablets, and x86 tablets were a stupid idea until the very latest 2012 intel procs. Not that you had the choice until Win8, as an ARM version of "Wintel" was unimaginable.

So Microsoft "losing faith" in its OEM is laughable: by their inability (until Metro) to create a good interface and to create an ARM version, they are the main culprits of the sorry state of Windows slates.

And now that x86 procs are, at last, good for the job, Microsoft uses its ginormous reserves of cash to jump over its OEM before they have the time to get on.

So once again, MS screws its "partners". Good luck trying to spin it otherwise.

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

...and yet another person who completely disregards the fact that virtually everything - frameworks, stacks, etc. - has been rewritten or massively overhauled between XP and 7, a process that's nearing completion with Windows 8.

Come on guys, I expect comments like this on Engadget, but not here. You guys know better than this.


I think your being unfair, PieterGen's point is about innovation yes MS have done some work, things have been rewritten and improved, but where is the innovation?

Windows 8 is MS's attempt at innovation after a long period of stagnation (not idleness).

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