Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Jun 2012 20:27 UTC
Google So yeah, Google totally just won the conference showdown by easily beating both Apple and Microsoft. Not only did Google announce Android 4.1 with some really cool new features, a cheap but non-crippled tablet, and a new Android device called the Nexus Q, but they also opened up pre-orders for Google Glass. So yeah.
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Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 05:32 UTC
Nelson
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2005-11-29

More exciting than the Microsoft and Apple announcements? Are you fucking kidding me?

They show an unremarkable tablet, which aims to be a Kindle Fire without the financial draw of a Kindle Fire (ecosystem which Asus can profit off of)and a point release OS ?

Then the Glasses vaporware which was impressive at first, but has now degenerated into a glorified mobile webcam?

Project Butter? Really? Because The Verge says that it STILL isn't as smooth as an iPad. Even WITH four fucking CPU cores and 12 GPU cores. Seriously? How much more could Android possibly need?

Why can my 1GHz Windows Phone be buttery smooth without the need to throw around stupid ass buzz words like triple buffering and vsync?

Come on. Android is off the fucking rails, it's looking a LOT like Windows Mobile did before it collapsed. An unorganized mess of ideas.

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RE: Seriously?
by Shane on Thu 28th Jun 2012 06:10 in reply to "Seriously?"
Shane Member since:
2005-07-06

The one thing remarkable about that tablet is the price. It's Google coercing Asus into a race to the bottom on its way into relevance in the tablet market.

I'm not sure how sustainable this will be in the long run for device makers. However, having pulled the trigger on a 16GB version, I'm not complaining right now.

On another note, I was pleasantly surprised to see Google doing something to improve UI responsiveness (Project Butter). Last December I got a general head-in-the-sand vibe from the "Android graphics true facts" fracas on Google+. I wonder what the Android apologists have to say about that now.

I'm looking forward to playing with Jelly Bean.

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 06:15 in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Those price points are impressive, if an OEM can recoup the costs. You're not telling me they're making any kind of profit on those devices. Amazon sells at a loss and their specced lower.

ASUS has no ecosystem to make money off of, unlike Amazon. Unless Google is doing some sort of Marketplace and Ad revenue market sharing. Its unsustainable. They're just hoping to be a loss leader into some market share.

Like I said, Project Butter still isn't working..The Verge said that the smoothness still isn't up to par..4 CPU cores later.

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by MollyC on Fri 29th Jun 2012 04:38 in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
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2006-07-04

Gizmodo says that Google will be selling its tablets at loss, and hoping to make up the difference via ads and online software sales. Which means that they will be undercutting other android tablet makers, which can't match Google's price since they have no way to recoup losses like Google does. This may be the end of the Android tablet market as far as non-Google devices are concerned.

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RE: Seriously?
by adkilla on Thu 28th Jun 2012 06:17 in reply to "Seriously?"
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2005-07-07

I keep getting the feeling that you and MollyC are MS trolls. I had a look at a lot of your comments lately and it seems like you really really want W8/WP8 to succeed and have an almost religious dislike for Android.

At least with the Nexus 7 announcement, I think it is a strategy is to get as many people to adopt Android tablets by giving it an attractive pricing. Since the updates come directly from Google, the experience should also be the best experience people could get for the money. I think this would be very encouraging.

The Kindle Fire on the other hand is not available outside the US. The Amazon ecosystem is also not available outside the US. So, to people outside the US (where the majority of people are), the Kindle means diddly squat to us. Nexus devices are available and sold outside the US. You can buy a Nexus device with contract on any carrier in APAC. I would get my hands on it with this attractive pricing.

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by Morgan on Thu 28th Jun 2012 06:43 in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I keep getting the feeling that you and MollyC are MS trolls. I had a look at a lot of your comments lately and it seems like you really really want W8/WP8 to succeed and have an almost religious dislike for Android.


You know, I really enjoy my WP7 phone and I find Windows 7 to be an excellent OS, and I've expressed those opinions on here more than once. As much as I like the idea of Android, in practical use I find it sorely lacking. And I'm certainly hoping WP8 is successful, though I'm not holding my breath.

Yet despite all of that, no one is calling me a Microsoft troll or shill. Are you sure you aren't taking this to a personal level? I've had my differences with Nelson and especially MollyC regarding Microsoft's business practices, but at the end of the day I see them as just having a different opinion, not actively trolling.

I know my viewpoint probably means little to nothing, I just think it would be a shame for you to dismiss them as trolls when they both have contributed a ton of insight to this forum over the years.

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 11:55 in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Since the updates come directly from Google, the experience should also be the best experience people could get for the money. I think this would be very encouraging.


How'd that work out for Nexus S? Lol, you cannot be serious.

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RE: Seriously?
by karunko on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:14 in reply to "Seriously?"
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Project Butter? Really? Because The Verge says that it STILL isn't as smooth as an iPad.

First: The Verge is not the be-all-and-end-all of tech reporting and even if they pretend not to, they have their fair share of bias and everything they write should be taken with a (very big) grain of salt.

Second: The 16 GB Nexus 7 costs $249, the cheapest 16 GB iPad (2) is $399 while the latest and greatest 16 GB model starts at $499, therefore price should be taken into account when comparing them.

Third: Some people prefer 7", so even even the iPad is "better", that doesn't help them until Apple makes one (and I think it's a matter of when rather than if).

In other words, the Nexus 7 should be considered as a direct competitor to the Kindle Fire, not the iPad.



RT.

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:43 in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


First: The Verge is not the be-all-and-end-all of tech reporting and even if they pretend not to, they have their fair share of bias and everything they write should be taken with a (very big) grain of salt.


Sure but past is prologue. People said the same thing about how ICS finally made Android smooth.

I'm glad after throwing a quad core CPU and a monstrous GPU its almost as smooth as iOS and Windows Phone.

I'm glad after writing bullshit articles on Google+ denying the problem, they finally acknowledge it exists

I just have no faith in Google's initiatives. What happened to the Handset Upgrade Alliance? Crickets?

P.S I'm not downplaying Nexus 7 pricing, I'm just saying its unsustainable. They're hoping to loss lead. Its hardly remarkable, its not like they solved some engineering problem letting them make super cheap tablets. They're just deciding to lose more money. Good, but not great.

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by zima on Sun 1st Jul 2012 11:32 in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
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2005-07-06

In other words, the Nexus 7 should be considered as a direct competitor to the Kindle Fire, not the iPad.

People will use all three of them to do pretty much the same stuff. That makes them competitors.

Edited 2012-07-01 11:33 UTC

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RE: Seriously?
by JAlexoid on Thu 28th Jun 2012 10:42 in reply to "Seriously?"
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2009-05-19

Then the Glasses vaporware which was impressive at first, but has now degenerated into a glorified mobile webcam?

I am not impressed by the device's functionality, since we have not seen anything demonstrated and the heads-on was a mere "screen saver".
However Google Glass is on pre-order for $1599 with delivery early next year - that is vaporware?

Project Butter? Really? Because The Verge says that it STILL isn't as smooth as an iPad.


To quote TheVerge "It couldn't keep up with iPad". That is not smoothness, that is how fast are the transitions. They didn't say if it was smooth or not. Judging by my "new iPad" and GNex(4.0) it is smooth, though in some cases slower in transitions.
(iPad isn't all that smooth in all cases by the way. Nothing beats WP7, except maybe pure OpenGL.)

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 10:52 in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I am not impressed by the device's functionality, since we have not seen anything demonstrated and the heads-on was a mere "screen saver".
However Google Glass is on pre-order for $1599 with delivery early next year - that is vaporware?


It is vaporware in the sense that what the people who pre-order it will be getting is vastly different than what was originally announced.

That, and this is for I/O attendees only. God knows when General Availability will be.


To quote TheVerge "It couldn't keep up with iPad". That is not smoothness, that is how fast are the transitions. They didn't say if it was smooth or not. Judging by my "new iPad" and GNex(4.0) it is smooth, though in some cases slower in transitions.
(iPad isn't all that smooth in all cases by the way. Nothing beats WP7, except maybe pure OpenGL.)


I don't think they refer to transitions at all. "Couldn't keep up" meaning stick to your finger responsiveness. Which if they are right, is a big issue.

But regardless, like I said, it is ridiculous it takes this much raw hardware to reach kinda sorta parity with iOS. What in gods name could they be doing wrong? Something is seriously fucked.

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