Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Jun 2012 20:27 UTC
Google So yeah, Google totally just won the conference showdown by easily beating both Apple and Microsoft. Not only did Google announce Android 4.1 with some really cool new features, a cheap but non-crippled tablet, and a new Android device called the Nexus Q, but they also opened up pre-orders for Google Glass. So yeah.
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RE[3]: Seriously?
by Radio on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Seriously?"
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The "glass vaporware" line shows how Nelson is a troll. If he really thinks it is just a headcam, he is stupid.

First of all, it was streaming its video feed through a normal G+ hangout. That shows a level of ability far above what is already available.

Second, Brin clearly said they did this whole little show-off because it was something easy to show. Project Glass is far more than that, but they can't show it on stage as easily ("maybe if we put a glass over a glass...", he joked).

Third, Google Now shows what could be the future content of Glass. Snippets of curated, taylored data right about what you are doing to enhance your life. Plus voice input. We already are very close from the concept video they showed off a few months ago.

Fourth, even if project Glass was just a streaming headcam, it would already be something significant. There is a good reason this kind of stuff has already been a science-fiction trope for a long time. Imagine reporters with Project Glass. Imagine protests were people wear Project Glass. There is so much potential. Good and bad (oh yeah, lots of goods and lots of bads). But this is the kind of stuff everybody always expected to come to be one day.

And it is within reach.

The final nail in the coffin which contains Nelson's insight is that Glass "vaporware" will soon be in developpers'hands. Eh. Moron.

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RE[4]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Seriously?"
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2005-11-29

The "glass vaporware" line shows how Nelson is a troll. If he really thinks it is just a headcam, he is stupid.

First of all, it was streaming its video feed through a normal G+ hangout. That shows a level of ability far above what is already available.


I'm sorry, can you point me to the fucking augmented reality demo? Oh wait, what happened? It doesnt exist? You mean its vaporware? Oh, right. Shut up then.

Also, the Glasses are tethered to smart phones. They have no wireless connectivity of their own, so the term mobile webcam is actually appropriate despite how much you try to play it up.

Second, Brin clearly said they did this whole little show-off because it was something easy to show. Project Glass is far more than that, but they can't show it on stage as easily ("maybe if we put a glass over a glass...", he joked).


We'll see. Until they actually do have something to show, that aspect is vaporware. However, it is apparently outlandish in your judgement for me to even begin to question Thom for claiming this is more significant than Apple/MS events.

Get. A. Grip.


Fourth, even if project Glass was just a streaming headcam, it would already be something significant. There is a good reason this kind of stuff has already been a science-fiction trope for a long time. Imagine reporters with Project Glass. Imagine protests were people wear Project Glass. There is so much potential. Good and bad (oh yeah, lots of goods and lots of bads). But this is the kind of stuff everybody always expected to come to be one day.

And it is within reach.


So at first you're vehemently opposed to me describing it as a glorified webcam and now you make excuses for it "well even if, its still good"

And I'm the troll? Riiiight,


The final nail in the coffin which contains Nelson's insight is that Glass "vaporware" will soon be in developpers'hands. Eh. Moron.


Some time next year , lacking features that were originally shown off like augmented reality. Its not the same product. Project Glass as announced is vaporware.

Im sorry it doesn't mesh with your warped views, actually, I'm not, too bad.

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RE[5]: Seriously?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:36 in reply to "RE[4]: Seriously?"
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to question Thom for claiming this is more significant than Apple/MS events.


Apple: minor hardware updates+one big one, and iOS6 playing catch-up (to come in the Fall).

Microsoft: vapourware tablet nobody has seen in action, and Windows Phone 8 nobody will be able to use until they buy new hardware somewhere in the Fall.

Google: minor Android update with still some major new stuff (available in two weeks+now for attendees), new non-crippled tablet for *$199* (available in two weeks+now for attendees), new streaming device (available in two weeks (?)), and, oh, they're putting Glass up for pre-order.

Easy enough to see who won.

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RE[5]: Seriously?
by Radio on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Seriously?"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

So at first you're vehemently opposed to me describing it as a glorified webcam and now you make excuses for it "well even if, its still good"

And I'm the troll? Riiiight,

Yes, I am taking your dismissal, I show that it is already not as insignificant as you make it to be, and I add that it is going to do much more.

Get. A. Brain.

You know what is vaporware? Every single thing Microsoft showed during its own event.

OK, now I'm trolling...

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RE[4]: Seriously?
by Morgan on Thu 28th Jun 2012 10:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Seriously?"
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2005-06-29

Sorry, but I mostly agree with him regarding Project Glass. I was sorely disappointed at what, for now, is a head mounted webcam at twenty times the cost to build it. I realize it's in the early stages of development, but as I said below, you can pick up a Kinect and get tons of functionality above and beyond where Google is now.

Even if Google somehow managed to shrink the tech inside the Kinect down to eyeglasses scale this year, they would still be a few more years away from what we saw in the effects-laden demo video a few months ago.

I do find the other announcements they made to be intriguing; in particular the Nexus 7 tablet is very close to the "perfect tablet" for someone like me. It's basically a Nook Color but with enough horsepower to run the latest OS smoothly. Even the price is appealing, perhaps even a loss leader. The seven inch Galaxy Tab is bulky, plastic-y and slow compared to it, yet costs much more.

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RE[5]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 10:54 in reply to "RE[4]: Seriously?"
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I want to reiterate, I'm not saying the Nexus 7 sucks. It actually looks like a great Tablet.

I'm speaking purely from the perspective of it being some game changing feat of engineering like this opinion piece would have you believe.

I don't think just because they announced a $199 tablet that they stole the show from Apple or MS. They just chose to lose money. Noble, I guess, but not revolutionary.

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RE[5]: Seriously?
by Radio on Thu 28th Jun 2012 13:24 in reply to "RE[4]: Seriously?"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Sorry, but I mostly agree with him regarding Project Glass. I was sorely disappointed at what, for now, is a head mounted webcam at twenty times the cost to build it. I realize it's in the early stages of development, but as I said below, you can pick up a Kinect and get tons of functionality above and beyond where Google is now.

Even if Google somehow managed to shrink the tech inside the Kinect down to eyeglasses scale this year, they would still be a few more years away from what we saw in the effects-laden demo video a few months ago.

What does Glass have in common with Kinect? You lost me.

If you really think that Glass is just a glorified webcam, that would be fine if Google was selling it now: Ah! Another half-baked Google product!

But here, we have one of Google's co-founder trying to woo as many people in the audience as possible and offering to order it on a very limited basis - US I/O attendees only, meaning motivated developers close from their lab. They are not trying to scam some uneducated, misinformed, helpless people.

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RE[4]: Seriously?
by zima on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Seriously?"
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2005-07-06

It is vaporware, many years off ( http://www.osnews.com/permalink?525238 ) WRT to the promises of the early demo.

First of all, it was streaming its video feed through a normal G+ hangout. That shows a level of ability far above what is already available.

WTH? That's exactly what a webcam does...

even if project Glass was just a streaming headcam, it would already be something significant. There is a good reason this kind of stuff has already been a science-fiction trope for a long time. Imagine reporters with Project Glass. Imagine protests were people wear Project Glass. There is so much potential. [...] this is the kind of stuff everybody always expected to come to be one day.

Yeah, imagine reporters giving us poor quality, hardly discernible video. Imagine tons of idiot protesters choking cellular networks, then jumping on some "the gov is censoring us!" conspiracy theories and acting on such irrational hysterias (that's what actually happened already at few protests, I know of one or two in Moscow in example - and just because people were trying to text and twitter about how they're "protesting")

Scifi is more often way off the mark http://www.osnews.com/permalink?523521 & http://www.osnews.com/permalink?520970 (related here: the videoconferencing as the staple of "scifi future" communication is mostly ignored).
You were scammed by another such fantasy, deal with it (like, say, the STS was one enormous scam, achieving practically nothing as advertised)


Overall, it reminds me about the small fad of home videos, at my place happening 1-1.5 decade ago. Even though the equipment is now much better and less expensive... it mostly passed.
People, to my slight amazement, figured out how utterly tormenting such videos tend to be, and they mostly went "back" to photos (I guess also because there are usually not that many, people can quickly sift through them for the few good ones).
Also, making good videos typically involves discarding, essentially, most of the material shot - that's not only probably the single most important thing overlooked by creators of crappy videos, the concept of "life experience" videos also goes right against it.

Edited 2012-07-05 00:17 UTC

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