Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Jun 2012 20:27 UTC
Google So yeah, Google totally just won the conference showdown by easily beating both Apple and Microsoft. Not only did Google announce Android 4.1 with some really cool new features, a cheap but non-crippled tablet, and a new Android device called the Nexus Q, but they also opened up pre-orders for Google Glass. So yeah.
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RE[4]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 09:54 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Seriously?"
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"I'm glad after throwing a quad core CPU and a monstrous GPU its almost as smooth as iOS and Windows Phone.

My SII with CM9 is just as smooth as iOS, perhaps even smoother. WP7.5 is smoother *in some applications*, but in most, it's a total turd sandwich due to how WP7 handles networking; everything starts to stutter and comes to a grinding halt when networking is slow, which is all the time on WP7 - even on wifi backed by a 120MB connection.

I'm sorry, this is completely wrong. In fact in the article where you complained about this no one agreed with you.

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RE[5]: Seriously?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Jun 2012 10:01 in reply to "RE[4]: Seriously?"
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I'm sorry, this is completely wrong. In fact in the article where you complained about this no one agreed with you.

Uh, I think you need to go back and re-read that thread.

It's a fairly common problem. Some have fixed it with system restores, but that's not an option for me.

The issue occurs when you have cellular and wifi data enabled at the same time. Even if you have great cellular connection. Thus, if you're using wifi, disable cellular data. For now at least. It also gives a great boost in battry life and the phone runs cooler in my case. By a lot.

I've had intermittent networking issues with my HTC Arrive on Sprint, both on WiFi and EvDO. Not quite as bad as what you've described though; mostly the web browser inexplicably unable to load a site via either connection method while the PC I'm at, connected to the same WiFi network, has no problem. It's very random and has only happened a few times in the past six months I've had the phone.

I've also occasionally had live tile update issues, but only with certain third party apps and the "Me" social notification tile.

I have a Samsung Focus, and have had some of those same issues. I almost never have a problem with the built-in stuff like mail, but some 3rd party apps give me problems on live tile updates.


And occasionally, even on WiFi, it'll tell me that it's having trouble getting updates from Facebook, which I usually take to mean that maybe instead of looking at Facebook updates on my phone, I should go do something more useful than look at Facebook updates, anyway.

Now go and look around the web. I'm not alone.

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RE[6]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 10:12 in reply to "RE[5]: Seriously?"
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You mention separate issues, and I'll address them all:

Resume from sleep WiFi is less than five seconds. You are seriously an outlier there. Contact your carrier or get your device serviced. This just isn't happening on a widespread scale.

Your second issue is also peculiar and I've found no mention of it across the internet on a large scale. These may be isolated incidents, and again I'd suggest contacting your carrier and having your device checked. It is likely this and the prior issue are related.

Live Tiles is multifaceted. Some Live Tile data is pushed, thats instant. Some developers opt to not pay money to run push notification service so they periodically poll for Live Tile data which at best fires every 15 minutes.

All push notifications, background tasks, etc are disabled during low battery or low memory conditions. So it may impact how often you have fresh tile data.

Some developers just plain don't implement the functionality correctly which can cause duplicate notifications, old notifications, incorrect clearing of live tile badge counts, etc.

The only time any of net stuff impacts perf is if you're doing on UI thread data handling or image decoding which is bad practices and fault lies with the app developer. Setting Images to Delay and Background creation, as well as using an HttpWebRquest object or marshaling your WebClient fixes this

Edited 2012-06-28 10:13 UTC

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RE[6]: Seriously?
by Nelson on Thu 28th Jun 2012 10:49 in reply to "RE[5]: Seriously?"
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I've compiled some quotes from the article you posted criticizing Windows Phone 7's networking stack.

It should prove insightful:

My Lumia 710 connects via WiFi in less than 4 seconds.
- Drumhellar

My girlfriend has a Lumia 800 and has never encountered problems like these.
- WilliamM

I have an HTC Trophy (Verizon's only WP phone), and there's no WiFi problem whatsoever, so I don't think Thom's problem is necessarily an "HTC" problem. I don't know what the cause of his problem is. I've never heard of a general WiFi problem wrt WP (sites like The Verge certainly would've ripped WP to shreds over it, were that the case.)
- MollyC

I agree. This might be a hardware issue. I have a Titan II, and Wifi reconnect (or 3G reconnect after Wifi dropoff) is usually a few seconds, and web browsing is real fast (compared to my old HTC G2 Android phone).
- sukru

yup - my lumia 800 also re-connects to wifi very fast. fast enough i've never bothered timing it (seems nearly instant)
- bitflung

I don't have the HD7, but I do own the LG e900 and I'm not having the same problems you've having with that phone.
- sagum

Like other WP 7.5 commenters, I also don't experience any WiFi issues. I have a Dell Venue Pro, and it connects in about 4 seconds.
- n4cer

Yeah, I've had absolutely no issues with WiFi on my HTC Arrive. It actually connects quicker than my FC16 laptop and iPad.

- helf

Samsung Focus - no connectivity issues here either. Yours does sound like it could be a hardware issue.
- Machester

My email, calendar and message tiles update before my PC apps do... I have my phone next to me... it chimes, I do an update on my PC to get the latest and read them. So I don't know what's up with your phone/network.
- Tuishimi

Under 2 secs on Lumia 900. I think Thom is possessed.
- frostbyte

I have an LG C900 and I have not seen any slow network stuff or broken tiles.
- DDevine

Do you see the trend? Everything points to this being an isolated Thom problem. Yet you penned an entire hit piece article trashing Windows Phone, never issued a retraction or any sort of correction, and continue to pedal the same inaccuracies as if they were some widespread issue.

You're being disingenuous Thom.

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RE[5]: Seriously?
by delta0.delta0 on Thu 28th Jun 2012 18:21 in reply to "RE[4]: Seriously?"
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how vehemently you defend Microsoft, I hope there is a nice pay cheque for you at the end of all of this..

Wp8 announcement proves how crap the underlying subsystem of wp7 is. No support for dual core cpus, no support for high res displays etc. Poor Nokia, they dumped Meego, they dumped the N9 which was apparently half baked, to lay in bed with Microsoft and sell Microsofts half baked OS and no update to wp8 ... :facepalm:

There is a reason wp7 appears smooth its running on a low screen resolution, on a mainly text based interface, it doesn't multi task properly it doesn't do half the stuff Android does, its live tiles are mediocre compared to notifications. The notification systems on Android and ios do this task _much_ better and the newer updates for jelly bean only serve to widen the gap.

Next time for some surface bashing, 10" too big for a tablet too small for a laptop.

I cant imagine getting any serious work done on a 10" screen, Cant use the keyboard on anything other than a table, as it doesn't support the weight of the screen and will just fall off of your lap. Can you imagine sitting on a couch watching TV and using this thing while trying to use the keyboard ? It makes the keyboard absolutely useless.. All that bull about the noise of the hinge who gives a flying monkeys. The whole point of a tablet is to use it away from your desk, while travelling, while walking around, Microsoft just doesn't get it, seriously they are completely clueless.

To anyone who is now going to post but you don't need the keyboard attached, again let me state what is the point of the keyboard if you can only use it at a desk ? the place you are least likely to use your tablet.

Edited 2012-06-28 18:22 UTC

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RE[6]: Seriously?
by JAlexoid on Thu 28th Jun 2012 23:15 in reply to "RE[5]: Seriously?"
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I cant imagine getting any serious work done on a 10" screen

From personal experience, any content producing work on 10" screen(document editing, presentation creation and similar heavy pieces of work) is like engaging in masochism. That is why I stopped using my netbook for anything after a few months.

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