Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jun 2012 22:17 UTC
Legal I stopped following all the patent trolling in the mobile industry months ago because, you know, I have a life, but apparently some big ruling just got handed down in the United States: using three software patents, a patent troll from Cupertino has been given an injunction on Samsung's Galaxy Nexus, imposing a ban on the device. This patent trolling has to stop, blah, blah, we've all been here before. If you need me, I'll be over there on the sofa remembering the good old days when Cupertino was famous for great products, instead of infamous for its patent troll.
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RE: Google just needs to pay up!
by Fergy on Sat 30th Jun 2012 05:21 UTC in reply to "Google just needs to pay up!"
Fergy
Member since:
2006-04-10

The fact is Google needs to stop acting like software is just free, that you can copy others and not have to pay.

If google doesn't ask money for their software it is gratis software. Google wrote that software and did not copy it from anybody else. Now the ideas in the software are of course from thousands of people that have shaped how computers work for over 70+ years.

You pay the programmers to get code. Then you can decide if you want money for that code or if you want to give it away for free.

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

If google doesn't ask money for their software it is gratis software. Google wrote that software and did not copy it from anybody else. Now the ideas in the software are of course from thousands of people that have shaped how computers work for over 70+ years.

You pay the programmers to get code. Then you can decide if you want money for that code or if you want to give it away for free.


That is just mincing words, no one is stupid. Google makes billions off that software through the services built into it and the license fees for those services. No different then when MS tied IE to windows.

So its not actually free. And because of this they need to stop pretending like it is. Everyone else pays licensing fees to other companies. Its time for Google to pay up!

Also hello we know that Google copied Java, even the courts have said that. Because they didn't get punished for it does not make it right.

Everyone from Apple down (Microsoft punished for IE even) has been punished at some point for the same thing. Its Googles turn. Pay up!

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Also hello we know that Google copied Java, even the courts have said that. Because they didn't get punished for it does not make it right.

Did you read what the judge said? His comment was that the code that was copied could have been written in minutes by the judge.
Everything else Google copied was GPL so they did right.
Everyone from Apple down (Microsoft punished for IE even) has been punished at some point for the same thing. Its Googles turn. Pay up!

None of those companies should have paid for idea patents. Idea patents stifle innovation and cost us all a lot of money for nothing in return.

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MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Now the ideas in the software are of course from thousands of people that have shaped how computers work for over 70+ years.


Apple spend millions of dollares in R&D to come up wiht the "ideas" in question. Those ideas didn't just materialize out of thin air. (Or, if you're in the school of thought that says that all ideas already exist, but they're just waiting to be discovered, then Apple spent millions of dollars in R&D "discovering" those ideas, they didn't just come to light out of thin air). Google spent zero in copying those ideas that Apple created (or "discovered"). Code is different from ideas, but they BOTH have value. It's not the case that only "code" has value (in fact, it's absurd).

As for Google giving their software away for free, yes, that's how they get away with infringing on patents left and right, but too bad they don't indemnify their hardware partners who are selling said code (as part of their hardware device product), and are therefore liable to be sued for Google's malificence. (is that a word? hehe)

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Apple spend millions of dollares in R&D to come up wiht the "ideas" in question.

So you are in favor of idea patents?

Please think about what it would mean if idea patents became the norm.

Also I don't believe Apple spend millions of dollars on ideas. They spend it on research, code, hardware etc. It is nice that your product was the first with the bouncy screen but if a competitor makes his own implementation with his own research, code, hardware etc. what makes you think you own his work?

If you really think idea patents should become the norm I am scared for the future because there might be more people that think like you.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Those ideas didn't just materialize out of thin air.


Yeah, usually Apple stole them from somewhere as Steve Jobs has so proudly proclaimed...
Also, ideas are supposedly not patent-able.

Edited 2012-07-02 13:41 UTC

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