Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jun 2012 22:55 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes "Whenever there is a conversation about the future of computing, is discussion inevitably turns to the notion of a 'File'. After all, most tablets and phones don't show the user anything that resembles a file, only Apps that contain their own content, tucked away inside their own opaque storage structure. This is wrong. Files are abstraction layers around content that are necessary for interoperability. Without the notion of a File or other similar shared content abstraction, the ability to use different applications with the same information grinds to a halt, which hampers innovation and user experience." Aside from the fact that a file manager for Android is just a click away, and aside from the fact that Android's share menu addresses many of these concerns, his point still stands: files are not an outdated, archaic concept. One of my biggest gripes with iOS is just how user-hostile the operating system it when it comes to getting stuff - whatever stuff - to and from the device.
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RE[3]: Ted Nelson on files
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 30th Jun 2012 10:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ted Nelson on files"
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This is the issue with the argument. Tech people assume that a file system is the best and only way to present logical blocks of data. It's not.

Try getting some photos off or on your iPad. Look at regular folk trying to figure out the god-awful mess that is iTunes. Most iOS users I know - scratch that, ALL iOs users I know just email stuff to and from the device. Is that progress?

You know how it works on Android?

1. Plug device in.
2. Drag shit onto it.
3. The end.

This is not complicated, and it's an operation EVERYBODY knows how to do because it's exactly the same as USB sticks, which EVERYBODY understands. On iOS, getting files to and from the device is a nightmare, and there's no indication Apple is doing anything at all to make this easier.

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RE[4]: Ted Nelson on files
by MOS6510 on Sat 30th Jun 2012 10:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Ted Nelson on files"
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What a strange bunch. Everything I need on my iOS devices automagicaly appears there.

There are educational videos on the Apple website on how to use iOS devices.

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RE[5]: Ted Nelson on files
by viton on Sat 30th Jun 2012 13:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Ted Nelson on files"
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Are you joking? Try to upload an image from SD card via iPad.
I struggled with it without a success.
1) Import photo with iPad+CameraKit+SD card.
2) Upload a photo via e-mail to cloud.
3) Upload the photo to the site by URL

1) FAIL#1 image did not appeared to my surprise
1a) I used a computer to move FILE(s) to a location visible by god damn iPad photo import app (+30min to find the nearest computer)
1b) FAIL#2 God damn iPad photo import app did not show 2 of 5 photos I copied for some obscure reason. Exactly the photos that I need.
3) FAIL#3 anyway the site (that I tried to upload a photo to) has only direct image upload path (from your device) via FILE-requester.
4) Close iPad.
5) Use computer for that. Click.Select FILE. Upload. Thats all.

If you need to do something with FILE-LESS iOS, you're doomed.
Start from step 5.

Edited 2012-06-30 13:43 UTC

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