Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jun 2012 22:55 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes "Whenever there is a conversation about the future of computing, is discussion inevitably turns to the notion of a 'File'. After all, most tablets and phones don't show the user anything that resembles a file, only Apps that contain their own content, tucked away inside their own opaque storage structure. This is wrong. Files are abstraction layers around content that are necessary for interoperability. Without the notion of a File or other similar shared content abstraction, the ability to use different applications with the same information grinds to a halt, which hampers innovation and user experience." Aside from the fact that a file manager for Android is just a click away, and aside from the fact that Android's share menu addresses many of these concerns, his point still stands: files are not an outdated, archaic concept. One of my biggest gripes with iOS is just how user-hostile the operating system it when it comes to getting stuff - whatever stuff - to and from the device.
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RE[7]: Comment by tupp
by lucas_maximus on Sat 30th Jun 2012 16:15 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by tupp"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

How is it bullshit to quote from a book? (it isn't scripture FFS).

Have you read the book? I happen to agree with the idea.

Files and Directories are coming from the idea that you represent all day as though it was in a file cabinet.

A better way to represent data is a RDMS (possibly) but in the same way thinking relationally limits how you think, but I am sure you will say "That is just a set of files".

Words limit human thought whether you try to claim other wise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b71rT9fU-I

The same way a concept limits it (such as files), which was what was explained in the quote that you obviously didn't read.

Edited 2012-06-30 16:27 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by tupp
by tupp on Sat 30th Jun 2012 16:49 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by tupp"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

How is it bullshit to quote from a book? (it isn't scripture FFS).

It isn't B.S. to quote something, but the text you quoted is.


Have you read the book? I happen to agree with the idea.

After reading the passage quoted, I have no desire to read the rest of the book.

Still waiting to hear how these proponents of eliminating files expect people to perform large/complex tasks (such as shooting and editing a feature length film) without a file system,


Files and Directories are coming from the idea that you represent all day as though it was in a file cabinet.

The directories/folders are analogous to a file cabinet, but not necessarily files. A file can also be thought of independently as a document, song, program, etc.

So, what is your point?


A better way to represent data is a RDMS (possibly) but in the same way thinking relationally limits how you think, but I am sure you will say "That is just a set of files".

It is just another way of handling files.

How do you propose to propose to shoot and edit a feature film with such a setup?


Words limit human thought whether you try to claim other wise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b71rT9fU-I
The same way a concept limits it (such as files), which was what was explained in the quote that you obviously didn't read.

Language can certainly affect thought.

So, what exactly is your point regarding language and the existence of files and directories?

Also, why did you link that lengthy, overblown video?

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RE[9]: Comment by tupp
by lucas_maximus on Sat 30th Jun 2012 17:11 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by tupp"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Way to the miss the point about how certain existing ideas make you only think in terms of those ideas and disregard other ways of thinking.

Well you are clearly not able to think higher order or laterally.

There are some very abstract ideas that you are unwilling to accept. Also between you and the book's author I am willing to take his ideas over yours as he was a virtual reality pioneer and I doubt you have done anything novel of note.

And I am out.

Edited 2012-06-30 17:14 UTC

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