Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 28th Oct 2005 10:51 UTC, submitted by LinuxFanBoy
Linux "During the last month, we conducted a survey of readers who use Linux. We asked them why they switched to Linux and received a plethora of answers. Surprisingly, anti-Microsoft sentiment had less to do with the choice than one might imagine. Linux stands on its own as a user preference."
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Better question
by on Fri 28th Oct 2005 15:12 UTC

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How many people who switch to Linux actually STAY with Linux after they see what a massive kludge it really is?

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RE: Better question
by on Fri 28th Oct 2005 15:23 in reply to "Better question"
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In my experience the odd person would is brainwashed by the "Start" menu rant about Linux. How many is difficult but MOST do stay with Linux and leave on the duel boot, since only the odd application stops them from moving to Linux fully.

You can be sure that lots of people have moved to Linux considering how the distro's ftp sites get hit, and the IRC is the best place to see floods of people using or moving to Linux. People move away from Windows because they realize what "a massive kludge" it really is, not the other way around.

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RE: Better question
by marcell on Fri 28th Oct 2005 16:37 in reply to "Better question"
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2005-07-11

many people stay. many people don't. enough people on both sides. anyone can keep it's own assumptions.

i stayed.

as more and more people will stay some other non bloated os-es will come to the today's position of linux. linux will be main stream as osx and windows.
at some point we will just forget about linux being hard or not.
everything will be too hard for average user but average joes at that time will be happy enough with their fridges full of beers reading their emails and displaying photos of cousins from flickr.com

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RE: Better question
by somebody on Fri 28th Oct 2005 16:54 in reply to "Better question"
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2005-07-07

Trying != Switching

I know at least over 20 friends of mine that switched in last year. I don't know anyone switching back. Most of them were first dual-booting, next they just bought PS2 and formated Windows to gain space.

That should take care identifiying most common Windows usage.

what a massive kludge it really is?

??? Well I don't understand this. When I look at my Windows installations I only see this (most of these errors are not MS, but more or less related to the fact that there is no HIG spec):

After installing JUST basic drivers and software on Windows
- your tray is usualy about 8-12 icons and small icons as that are unusable by default
- Start menu looks like post war chaos, why does every software have to create its folder for his application (even when you install something that is not application like printer driver or codecs)
- Desktop is full of icons
- File System layout is everything but good
- People designing control panels should be shot on sight
- Damn is that desktop ugly
- Every application draws differently, windows different colors, every button is customized to its drawing (but all more ugly than default provided with Windows)

And at this point I haven't even begin to install development tools. You don't want to know what I think after that.

p.s. Not even a single point (except probably fs layout) doesn't apply on Gnome FOR ME PERSONALLY.

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RE[2]: Better question
by on Fri 28th Oct 2005 19:14 in reply to "RE: Better question"
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> ??? Well I don't understand this. When I look at my
> Windows installations I only see this (most of these
> errors are not MS, but more or less related to the fact
> that there is no HIG spec):

You are right, but most of these are minor problems and/or can be corrected by a few mouse clicks. There is no excuse for the crap you find in a windows system... but how serious are these problems compared to:

- hardware not working
- can't read my files because no NTFS write support
- Many programs not working and no alternative (don't even start discussing wine, it simply crashed)
...

If people don't switch, they usually have reasons (and note that the fact that Joe User wants his computer to "just work" should actually come as an advantage for Linux, because Mr. User doesn't care if he's running Windows or *nix).

- Morin

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RE[3]: Better question
by somebody on Fri 28th Oct 2005 20:07 in reply to "RE: Better question"
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2005-07-07

Speaking from my personal viewpoint, intentionaly ignorant. Not to provoke or troll, but to give you better answer. Conclusion at the end.

but how serious are these problems compared to:

- hardware not working

All my Linux machines working perfectly, except my dualboot Notebook. Windows screwed hybernate and bluetooth needs reinstall every once in a while. Linux works perfectly on the same laptop
And by the way, damn Windows install doesn't even start on my G5 or G4 or PS2 (Linux works like a charm). Whom do I bother for hardware support? And my TV tuner which worked fine under 98 is not installable anymore in XP.

- can't read my files because no NTFS write support????

NTFS? Why would I need NTFS, to have unused space?
And if there is no write support why would that disable read support? If you need read support try knoppix. NTFS Read is working as a charm, write not. But my windows install can't see my portable ext3 formated harddrive (or my ext3 formated USB key).

- Many programs not working and no alternative (don't even start discussing wine, it simply crashed)

1. I don't use wine. why would I need that? To start running software I don't want to run?
2. Which programs do not work on Linux for me? You have to tell me because I seriously don't know. But I do know what everything doesn't work for me when I boot in Windows (every 2 months I boot at least once in Windows on my laptop)
3.1. I agree that most of Windows software isn't working as it should. My laptop and its Windows install is a clear example of that
3.2. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm still searching for some windows software to mimick my usual app on linux (that is when I don't have my laptop with me and client uses windows, both very rare but it happens). There is simply no alternative for them
4. Which alternative I'm searching for, seriously? I don't know. I have everything and more. Although, in the past I was searching for games, but then I bought PS2 and all my need and wish for windows vanished in a single moment.

Conclusion:

About everything you named except hardware.
If you wan't something just like you're used to, you'd be better staying where you were.

About hardware
You should at least have compatible hardware for the OS you want to use. "Any machine" is just as bad on Windows as on Linux or OSX.
p.s. Not even a single bug in my windows is fictional, it simply doesn't work for me, but since I practically don't use them I don't even care.

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