Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 30th Jun 2012 19:34 UTC
Legal Yesterday, we were treated to another preliminary injunction on a product due to patent trolling. Over the past few years, some companies have resorted to patent trolling instead of competing on merit, using frivolous and obvious software and design patents to block competitors - even though this obviously shouldn't be legal. The fact that this is, in fact, legal, is baffling, and up until a few months ago, a regular topic here on OSNews. At some point - I stopped reporting on the matter. The reason for this is simple: I realised that intellectual property law exists outside of regular democratic processes and is, in fact, wholly and utterly totalitarian. What's the point in reporting on something we can't change via legal means?
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RE: not a ptatent troll
by Alfman on Sat 30th Jun 2012 22:03 UTC in reply to "not a ptatent troll"
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

darcysmith,

I voted you up by accident.. haha.

My opinion is that apple are behaving as patent trolls since it's clear that a key part of their strategy is resorting to litigation to harass competitors instead of just offering the best product value for customers on the market.

It's a shame because I think apple can do pretty well on merit alone, why are they tarnishing their image with patent trolling tactics? I really have to wonder if they internally believe their value proposition is getting worse in the face of new competitive threats.

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RE[2]: not a ptatent troll
by darcysmith on Sat 30th Jun 2012 23:47 in reply to "RE: not a ptatent troll"
darcysmith Member since:
2006-04-12

A patent troll is one who protected their patent with no intention of implementing it... Apple clearly doesn't meet that.

I am not saying I agree with Apple, or with Samsung. Personally I think Samsung never have slavishly copied the iPhone to begin with. On the other side I'd say that Apple seems to be grasping at straws with a number of their lawsuits.

The whole patent system needs a massive overhaul. Apple should never have been granted many of the patents they hold. However, it is hard to fault them for playing by the rules they have been given. Samsung could have (probably) easily avoided the lawsuits as well.

Out of all of it, I just object to Apple being called a Patent Troll since they don't meet the definition of it. At the very least, they are trying (rightly or wrongly) to protect things that they have actually implemented.

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RE[2]: not a ptatent troll
by Soulbender on Sun 1st Jul 2012 03:49 in reply to "RE: not a ptatent troll"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

My opinion is that apple are behaving as patent trolls since it's clear that a key part of their strategy is resorting to litigation to harass competitors instead of just offering the best product value for customers on the market.


Sure, they are abusing the patent system but that's not the same as being a patent troll. A patent troll has no products, only (questionable) patents.
Apple, for all their faults and bad behavior, do create real products.

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RE[3]: not a ptatent troll
by Alfman on Sun 1st Jul 2012 04:49 in reply to "RE[2]: not a ptatent troll"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Soulbender,

I see it as being overly pedantic. I'm still comfortable calling apple patent trolls on account of their courtroom behaviour. I don't think it makes sense to say the status as a patent troll ought to be dependent upon factors completely external to the case. If my product is banned by apple or an IP corp, it's the same to me. Maybe one is more vulnerable to counter attacks, but I see patent trolling as patent trolling regardless of who does it. And I certainly hope a distinction isn't incorporated into law because that opens up a loophole that's a mile wide. Apple doesn't manufacture their own hardware, likewise IP corporations could just contract out manufacturing and sell insanely expensive implementations with no intention of getting real customers...it wouldn't even matter to them if their products are banned.

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RE[3]: not a ptatent troll
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 1st Jul 2012 05:22 in reply to "RE[2]: not a ptatent troll"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

There actually is no set definition of patent troll. If Apple fanatics get to come up with fairy tales of Google stealing, I think I can use the term patent troll when Apple engages in patent troll behaviour.

It's not like I can make the multibillion dollar corporation cry.

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