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RE[5]: copying is anti innovation
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 2nd Jul 2012 07:46
in reply to "RE[4]: copying is anti innovation"
How can a company have an exclusive trademark for a name that was invented by someone else probably centuries ago, (two times, no less,) when even the copyright for the Brothers Grimm's book has long since expired?
Because Disney is one of the most evil companies this world has ever seen. Virtually their entire business is built upon stealing European public domain works and charging money for their adaptations. Walt Disney's earliest work were adaptations of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll, right after the 17-year copyright term on the original books had transpired.
Disney then proceeded to push through the insane copyright terms we have today. Disney is pure, concentrated evil. Stealing European public domain works because the company has virtually zero creativity of its own. It's despicable.
RE[6]: copying is anti innovation
by jefro on Mon 2nd Jul 2012 16:16
in reply to "RE[5]: copying is anti innovation"
Again you miss the point. Disney made a movie. The movie is protected. You can use other European works and create your own movie or try to re-create Alice in Wonderland. Instead you point your wicked witch of a finger and the US and Disney when it is you who fails to create. It is you Thom who is jealous of or desirous of their fame and fortune. You need to look inside yourself and be a winner instead of a whiner. Disney isn't evil. It is you who can't create like you wanted.
RE[6]: copying is anti innovation
by zima on Sat 7th Jul 2012 23:14
in reply to "RE[5]: copying is anti innovation"
Disney is one of the most evil companies this world has ever seen. Virtually their entire business is built upon stealing European public domain works and charging money for their adaptations. [...]
Disney then proceeded to push through the insane copyright terms we have today. Disney is pure, concentrated evil. Stealing European public domain works because the company has virtually zero creativity of its own. It's despicable.
Disney then proceeded to push through the insane copyright terms we have today. Disney is pure, concentrated evil. Stealing European public domain works because the company has virtually zero creativity of its own. It's despicable.
Not only European, and not even necessarily public domain...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lion_King#Controversies
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~tanaka/Tezuka_Disney/
I suppose Disney thinks that the rules they themselves push don't quite apply to them.
But it's worse, since of course no big multinational can live without...
http://www.somo.nl/monitoring/reports/hkcic01-02.htm (edit: ugh, OSNews comment formatting brakes it... somo.nl link should go through archive.org)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/06/18/sweatshops_010618.html
(and IIRC, lots of animation work is done in North Korea - not sure if that's Disney though)
Quite lengthy Wiki article, in all... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_Company
(though, in turn, some of that criticism is of course ridiculous in ~puritan ways)
Overall, what does Disney teach to children? "Pretty blue-eyed blondes always get what they want, and ugly people are evil"
Edited 2012-07-07 23:16 UTC
RE[5]: copying is anti innovation
by zima on Sat 7th Jul 2012 22:46
in reply to "RE[4]: copying is anti innovation"
Copyright lasts way too long. After the author's death? Why? How come people who had nothing to do with the work in question are entitled to royalties? My great-grandchildren won't get a penny from my current employer, and that's how it should be. Imagine if all companies had an obligation to pay your salary to your grandchildren, 70 years after you are gone. Plus extensions. And also in that time, nobody would be allowed to fill your job (OK, this last one is not entirely accurate).
It's not so simple; this kind of argument can be easily struck down (or at least, it has a not bad counterargument).
Our descendants can (and usually do, yours most likely will) benefit from physical inherited property, or from virtual, really, financial assets (just some data entries in a database somewhere) - how come people who had nothing to do with the work (in broader sense) in question are entitled to benefits from its results?
So why not for continuing benefits of work which produced "intellectual property"?





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While you are right with respect to the question you answered, in the big picture, the other two IP systems, copyright and trademark, are flawed too.
Copyright lasts way too long. After the author's death? Why? How come people who had nothing to do with the work in question are entitled to royalties? My great-grandchildren won't get a penny from my current employer, and that's how it should be. Imagine if all companies had an obligation to pay your salary to your grandchildren, 70 years after you are gone. Plus extensions. And also in that time, nobody would be allowed to fill your job (OK, this last one is not entirely accurate).
Trademark is no better. From the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_white : "The Walt Disney Company currently has a trademark application pending with the US Patent and Trademark Office, filed November 19, 2008, for the name "Snow White" that would cover all live and recorded movie, television, radio, stage, computer, Internet, news, and photographic entertainment uses, except literature works of fiction and nonfiction."
So it's OK to write a story about Snow White, -- maybe not on the Internet, though, -- but creating a TV series or drama act is not? How can a company have an exclusive trademark for a name that was invented by someone else probably centuries ago, (two times, no less,) when even the copyright for the Brothers Grimm's book has long since expired?
(And sadly, judging from how they treat software patents, I have not a second's doubt that the UPSTO will grant the trademark.)
Edited 2012-07-02 07:33 UTC