Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Jul 2012 22:17 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia board chairman Risto Siilasmaa went on a Finnish television show, and stated that while he is confident in Windows Phone 8, the company does have a back-up plan if it doesn't work out. Speculation aplenty - what is this backup plan? The answer's pretty easy, if you ask me.
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RE: I doubt it is Android...
by Bengar on Mon 2nd Jul 2012 23:32 UTC in reply to "I doubt it is Android..."
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Why would they use lesser unknown mobile OS? Nokia Windows phones don't sell. It is not because people hate the Windows Phone OS and it's not because they hate the hardware. They are do not sell because the phones are not Android and they're not iOS. People don't want to buy into small, unknown and poorly supported ecosystems, in 2012 the established markets are too entrenched. Switching to another alternative OS would just place Nokia in exact the same position as they were before the switch to Windows Mobile.

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No it isnt Member since:

I think there's room for one more ecosystem. iOS was doing great even when it was very small compared to today. The problem with WP7 is that even though it by all accounts has a good UI, the OS underneath it is shit, and depends on various limitations to run well. Although it has loud fans on the internet, anyone with half an eye can see that neither software nor hardware is nearly as capable as the competition (even the cameras of the WP7 phones are distinctly third-tier): you simply get much, much less for the money. Add in the dependency on Zune to sync with a computer, and it just doesn't seem very tempting.

WP8 should do away with most of the limitations. The developer base is there (with good tools), and developing for smartphones is a bit like playing a lottery anyway: it's low investment, low return, unless you get a winning number. It might become a success.

Then again, what do I know, I own an N9. Perhaps all the consumer wants is 600 000 fart apps and Words With Friends.

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Delgarde Member since:

I think there's room for one more ecosystem.

On the contrary - multiple ecosystems might be good for competition, but from a developer point of view, two target platforms is already one more than ideal.

The failure of WP7 isn't entirely because of bad tools - it's also because many developers can't be bothered even checking out what those tools might be like, because they've no interest in supporting a platform that nobody uses.

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cdude Member since:

> I think there's room for one more ecosystem.

We have Android, iPhone, Blackberry, Bada, Symbian. All of them are doing much better then WP.

Soon we have Tizen and Firefox OS. I would assume they will do better too.

How much more ecosystems you need?

> WP8 should do away with most of the limitations. The developer base is there

Looking at the WP7 store indicates that the developers are not there, They are ignoring WP. That ecosystem is so irrelevant that not even Angry Birds would exist for it if Microsoft did not have payed lots of money for it.

Looking at the partners that announced WP8 devices it seems the industry does not believe that Microsoft is going to make it. That is why Microsoft did Surface themself. No partner was willing to make that for them and burn cash once more.

Edited 2012-07-03 11:02 UTC

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tbutler Member since:

Well, if Samsung is essentially the only OEM making money off of Android, which is the current state of things, why would Nokia want to move more phones without profit? It is something akin to selling standard Windows PCs... a race to the bottom. Dell and HP move a lot of volume, but their PC businesses aren't what is keeping them afloat.

Striking a different course, something less commoditized is the key to making money, unless Nokia is certain it can out Samsung Samsung... and I doubt that they can. Frankly, the fact that Nokia has continually labeled its MeeGo project as an experiment may yield credence to this too... they know they have something there that everyone was in awe over. Nokia could be quietly lining up major names to support a mass market push, not unlike how Samsung viewed bada before merging it into Tizen.

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cdude Member since:

> if Samsung is essentially the only OEM making money off of Android

What is not the case. See e.g. Amazon Kindle or LG which make profit with Android too:

Samsung is the king but since competition has full access to the Software-stack too that can change just any time. Competition just needs to be better. See and

> why would Nokia want to move

Because with WP they do not have any competition and it does not sell. The reason is WP and not Nokia so they cannot easily change that by e.g. be better then other WP competitors. WP is 100% Microsoft and so only Microsoft can change while Nokia is doomed to read-/view-/use-only the result.

Android on the opposite does sell like hot cake. Consumers demand Android, they buy Android. That they buy mostly Samsung Android is cause Samsung Android is received to be better then the Android devices competitors offer.

Nokia CAN compete against competitions by making a better product. They cannot compete with the dead WP7 ecosystem against the number #1 Android ecosystem. They tried and failed. But they can compete against Samsung. Even Elop himself admit it when he formulated that its all about the ecosystem in his burning platform memo. He killed of the Symbian/MeeGo ecosystems, the WP ecosystem is essential dead, they cannot go with iPhone so what stays are Bada (which is 100% controlled by Samsung, its competitor), BB (which is 100% controlled by RIM, its competitor), one of the not done yet systems like Firefox OS or Tizen (what means the time to market may to long and so is a possible success with the system) or Android (which already is a success, not 100% controlled by a competitor and has already the ecosystem they tried to prevent build up themselfs with MeeGo, continued to use with Symbian or join with WP).

Android is the most logical option left for Nokia after they burned or gave all the other options a try and failed.

Edited 2012-07-04 09:25 UTC

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