Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 09:37 UTC
Legal So let me get this straight. Nokia claims that the Nexus 7 infringes upon standard essential wifi patents, and that Asus does not have a license. How in the name of hell is it possible that Asus has been shipping a gazillion wifi-enabled products every year for god knows how long now, and only now does Nokia notice? Wait - of course. Silly me. If you can't compete, litigate. D'oh.
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So?
by Nelson on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 09:50 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

They're standard essential patents which Nokia is willing to license on Fair, Reasonable, and Non Discriminatory terms (FRAND).

Contrast this with Motorola who is actively seeking injunctions using FRAND patents and has landed them in hot water with the EU launching an anti-trust probe.

And it's supposedly Nokia who litigates because they can't compete?

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RE: So?
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 09:54 in reply to "So?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

They're standard essential patents which Nokia is willing to license on Fair, Reasonable, and Non Discriminatory terms (FRAND).


So, why not come to Asus in the past decade or so Asus has been shipping wifi products? Why now? And with an Android product specifically? After a Microsoft man takes over Nokia? I'm sure it's all coincidence!

Contrast this with Motorola who is actively seeking injunctions using FRAND patents and has landed them in hot water with the EU launching an anti-trust probe.


If you're defending yourself from patent trolls like Apple and patent mafia like Microsoft... It sucks they're using FRAND-stuff, but considering it's a defensive move, it's understandable.


And it's supposedly Nokia who litigates because they can't compete?


Let's see.

1) Nokia can't compete. The company is in a massive downwards spiral.
2) They are litigating.

So yes.

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RE[2]: So?
by AStubbs on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 10:11 in reply to "RE: So?"
AStubbs Member since:
2012-07-03

Thom
I can't agree with your points because of two reasons.
1st We don't have enough information to draw a conclusion. Do you know for instance if having a Windows license when you sell a computer includes the wifi license? Do you know if ASUS has paid Nokia for wifi licenses on other products but not this one?

Secondly you say that Nokia is now choosing to litigate because it is failing in the market but Nokia has in fact consistently defending its patent portfolio for the last two decades.

I don't like all this patent disputes that keep cropping up but when your a company like Nokia who has spent more on R&D than the rest of the industry put together can you blame them for wanting to stop companies getting a free ride on their work and research? That is why FRAND exists.

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RE[2]: So?
by Nelson on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 10:22 in reply to "RE: So?"
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2005-11-29


So, why not come to Asus in the past decade or so Asus has been shipping wifi products? Why now? And with an Android product specifically? After a Microsoft man takes over Nokia? I'm sure it's all coincidence!


Two things. First, they've made no indication they're actually going to sue. This is in response to questioning. They simply confirmed ASUS and Google are not licensees.

Second, Nokia has discretion to assert its patents whenever it feels like it. Why is Motorola waiting until now to sue over FRAND? Because it feels like it.



If you're defending yourself from patent trolls like Apple and patent mafia like Microsoft... It sucks they're using FRAND-stuff, but considering it's a defensive move, it's understandable.


Unbelievable that you can defend such an egregious abuse of software patents. You talk about the evils of software patents, well this is arguably the most nefarious.


Let's see.

1) Nokia can't compete. The company is in a massive downwards spiral.
2) They are litigating.

So yes.


They are not litigating. Motorola is. Your statement, and this article is inaccurate. Of course, I don't expect you to admit you're wrong. You never do.

Edited 2012-07-03 10:23 UTC

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RE: So?
by _cynic_ on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 10:21 in reply to "So?"
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2012-04-18

"...and only now does Nokia notice?"
It's MS that noticed. MS pointed the target and the lapdog attacked.

What a sad end for an amazing 130 years old company...

(and somehow Nelson manages to give a good spin(again))

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RE[2]: So?
by adkilla on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 10:49 in reply to "RE: So?"
adkilla Member since:
2005-07-07

I really wished the shareholders sobered up and kicked the board in the right direction. Nokia may not even last beyond December.

Too bad Anssi didn't make the cut.

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RE: So?
by dragos.pop on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 12:56 in reply to "So?"
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2010-01-08

Normally I would take Nokia's side but...
This reminds me a lot of SCO, with MS backing.

Anyway I am a little bias towards Android.

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