Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 09:37 UTC
Legal So let me get this straight. Nokia claims that the Nexus 7 infringes upon standard essential wifi patents, and that Asus does not have a license. How in the name of hell is it possible that Asus has been shipping a gazillion wifi-enabled products every year for god knows how long now, and only now does Nokia notice? Wait - of course. Silly me. If you can't compete, litigate. D'oh.
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RE[2]: So?
by AStubbs on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 10:11 UTC in reply to "RE: So?"
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I can't agree with your points because of two reasons.
1st We don't have enough information to draw a conclusion. Do you know for instance if having a Windows license when you sell a computer includes the wifi license? Do you know if ASUS has paid Nokia for wifi licenses on other products but not this one?

Secondly you say that Nokia is now choosing to litigate because it is failing in the market but Nokia has in fact consistently defending its patent portfolio for the last two decades.

I don't like all this patent disputes that keep cropping up but when your a company like Nokia who has spent more on R&D than the rest of the industry put together can you blame them for wanting to stop companies getting a free ride on their work and research? That is why FRAND exists.

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RE[3]: So?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 13:53 in reply to "RE[2]: So?"
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That's kind of a good point wifi is probably included in the windows license, if its a software patent. If its hardware, though... Thom's point stands.

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RE[3]: So?
by andydread on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 16:05 in reply to "RE[2]: So?"
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Standards should not be patent encumbered PERIOD. File your patents all you want but keep your shitty patents AWAY from standards. how about that. All this bullshit about FRAND is missing the point. patent encumbered standards BLOCK free products from the market place and they block open source from participating in that standard so all your cheerleading about FRAND is totally missing the point.

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RE[4]: So?
by cyrilleberger on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 18:27 in reply to "RE[3]: So?"
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Standards should not be patent encumbered PERIOD.

The alternative would be one of the following:
* pay a fortune to access the standard
* standard would not be able to use any patented technologies, so we would be limited to 1 B/s Wifi
* no standard at all, and gazillions of an incompatible Wifi (or video codec) solutions

The real alternative to FRAND is a mandatory patent pool with a fix price. Someone has to pay for the billions of euros/dollars that are spent by the like of Nokia (or Motorola) to develop those technologies, and that is exactly what patents are about, making it possible for companies which spend huge amount on R&D to be paid by companies which went to just use the technology.

That patents are used to protect trivial things does not mean that all patents are bad.

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