Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Jul 2012 22:17 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia board chairman Risto Siilasmaa went on a Finnish television show, and stated that while he is confident in Windows Phone 8, the company does have a back-up plan if it doesn't work out. Speculation aplenty - what is this backup plan? The answer's pretty easy, if you ask me.
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RE[5]: Yes please
by Lennie on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 13:49 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Yes please"
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

On the name issue:

Tizen will probably marketed as Bada 3.0, which means it is will be a name people recognize.

I have no idea how Tizen will do in the market though.

But why do you think Mozilla called their Boot2Gecko project: Firefox OS

(almost ?) 500 million already are Firefox users, that is why. That is a lot more than Windows Phone users.

By some numbers Windows Phone's on Nokia Lumia sold even less than the Nokia N9 with MeeGo. Which is mostly the same phone.

Windows Phone has also been sold less than Bada:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2018219341_wind...

Anyway, my real point was. Windows Phone does not sell on cheap smart phones. An alternative can probably only get a good market share if they start at the bottom. You can only start at the top (like Apple did with they introduced the iPhone) if you have something which people consider new. Like smartphones with touchscreen, which was pretty much new then.

It seems the feature phone market of Nokia isn't completely dead either, but it will be dead on a little over a year. Judging by the numbers above.

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RE[6]: Yes please
by plague on Tue 3rd Jul 2012 14:41 in reply to "RE[5]: Yes please"
plague Member since:
2006-05-08

Yea, I know MeeGo on N9 sold relatively well..
It's a damn shame they put a bullet in it's back.

I'm not sure what I think about all these new mobile OS's with a webrenderer as frontend, might be a good idea, might not.

I don't really get why the devs can't seem to decide where they want to go with their mobile Linux-based OS. Tizen is the fourth attempt in a short amount of time.

With Maemo, Moblin and MeeGo, the selling points included beeing able to run some desktop Linux applications, as they used GTK or QT.
With using a webrenderer for the frontend, like Gecko or WebKit, that goes away. Or atleast that's my understanding.

Time will tell if it turns out to be a good idea or not, but I'm sceptical.

Hopefully you're right about Bada beeing the end-product from the Tizen project and it turns out well.
Samsung might pull that off. We'll see.

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RE[7]: Yes please
by cdude on Wed 4th Jul 2012 12:28 in reply to "RE[6]: Yes please"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

I don't really get why the devs can't seem to decide where they want to go with their mobile Linux-based OS.


Its not the devs who decide, its the management.

Tizen is the fourth attempt in a short amount of time.


Forth of whom? Its from Samsung and to my knowledge its there first try to make an own Smartphone-OS. Bada is for low-end, Android not there's (controlled and developed by someone else).

Even google does not put all its eggs into the Android basket. They are doing those ChromeOS. Another web-based (means Javascript driven) OS. Why? Because a) one does not fit all and b) it's good to have options since when you have all your eggs in only one basket you may end like Nokia.

Speaking of Nokia. I think with 4th attempt you refer to them? They are not into Tizen. Or what do you mean?

With Maemo, Moblin and MeeGo, the selling points included beeing able to run some desktop Linux applications, as they used GTK or QT.
With using a webrenderer for the frontend, like Gecko or WebKit, that goes away. Or atleast that's my understanding.


How is that different from Android?

The thing here is that its completely another concept. A system which runs in a browser (only) may close some doors but it opens others. That's what our whole industry is about: invent and try something new. be ahead of your competition and push something to the market that opens new doors and sells well.

Time will tell if it turns out to be a good idea or not, but I'm sceptical.


It already is a good idea independent of the result. To stay into the market you need to continue to invent and try something new. The moment you do not any longer will be when competition wins.

Tizen is already a good idea cause there is a clear trend towards a browser-based system. If they all fail then nothing is lost. But if one of them succeeds Samsung could risk to lose it's current position as number #1 mobile device seller. But if they have already something that can compete with a browserOS product from somebody else then they at least can try to fight.

What happens when you stop inventing is currently demonstrated by Nokia.

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