Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Jul 2012 22:17 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia board chairman Risto Siilasmaa went on a Finnish television show, and stated that while he is confident in Windows Phone 8, the company does have a back-up plan if it doesn't work out. Speculation aplenty - what is this backup plan? The answer's pretty easy, if you ask me.
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RE[7]: Yes please
by cdude on Wed 4th Jul 2012 12:28 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Yes please"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

I don't really get why the devs can't seem to decide where they want to go with their mobile Linux-based OS.


Its not the devs who decide, its the management.

Tizen is the fourth attempt in a short amount of time.


Forth of whom? Its from Samsung and to my knowledge its there first try to make an own Smartphone-OS. Bada is for low-end, Android not there's (controlled and developed by someone else).

Even google does not put all its eggs into the Android basket. They are doing those ChromeOS. Another web-based (means Javascript driven) OS. Why? Because a) one does not fit all and b) it's good to have options since when you have all your eggs in only one basket you may end like Nokia.

Speaking of Nokia. I think with 4th attempt you refer to them? They are not into Tizen. Or what do you mean?

With Maemo, Moblin and MeeGo, the selling points included beeing able to run some desktop Linux applications, as they used GTK or QT.
With using a webrenderer for the frontend, like Gecko or WebKit, that goes away. Or atleast that's my understanding.


How is that different from Android?

The thing here is that its completely another concept. A system which runs in a browser (only) may close some doors but it opens others. That's what our whole industry is about: invent and try something new. be ahead of your competition and push something to the market that opens new doors and sells well.

Time will tell if it turns out to be a good idea or not, but I'm sceptical.


It already is a good idea independent of the result. To stay into the market you need to continue to invent and try something new. The moment you do not any longer will be when competition wins.

Tizen is already a good idea cause there is a clear trend towards a browser-based system. If they all fail then nothing is lost. But if one of them succeeds Samsung could risk to lose it's current position as number #1 mobile device seller. But if they have already something that can compete with a browserOS product from somebody else then they at least can try to fight.

What happens when you stop inventing is currently demonstrated by Nokia.

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RE[8]: Yes please
by plague on Wed 4th Jul 2012 17:03 in reply to "RE[7]: Yes please"
plague Member since:
2006-05-08

"I don't really get why the devs can't seem to decide where they want to go with their mobile Linux-based OS.


Its not the devs who decide, its the management.
"
True


"Tizen is the fourth attempt in a short amount of time.


Forth of whom? Its from Samsung and to my knowledge its there first try to make an own Smartphone-OS. Bada is for low-end, Android not there's (controlled and developed by someone else).

Even google does not put all its eggs into the Android basket. They are doing those ChromeOS. Another web-based (means Javascript driven) OS. Why? Because a) one does not fit all and b) it's good to have options since when you have all your eggs in only one basket you may end like Nokia.

Speaking of Nokia. I think with 4th attempt you refer to them? They are not into Tizen. Or what do you mean?
"
This is how I saw it:
1. Maemo, 2. Moblin, 3. MeeGo, 4. Tizen..
Ok, I know that's a bit unfair, since Moblin and Maemo were completely independent from each other, but it _would_ be correct to say Tizen is the third attempt:
1. Moblin, 2. MeeGo, 3 Tizen..

Since Intel was the main, or one of the main, companies involved in all three of those, and the Linux Foundation hosted all three.
Moblin was Intel + later Linux Foundation.
MeeGo was Intel + Nokia + Linux Foundation.
Tizen is Intel + Samsung + Linux Foundation.


"With Maemo, Moblin and MeeGo, the selling points included beeing able to run some desktop Linux applications, as they used GTK or QT.
With using a webrenderer for the frontend, like Gecko or WebKit, that goes away. Or atleast that's my understanding.


How is that different from Android?
"
It isn't, that's my point.
That's why so many Linux people wanted Maemo/Moblin/MeeGo.
With Tizen, it's no different than Android.


The thing here is that its completely another concept. A system which runs in a browser (only) may close some doors but it opens others. That's what our whole industry is about: invent and try something new. be ahead of your competition and push something to the market that opens new doors and sells well.

"Time will tell if it turns out to be a good idea or not, but I'm sceptical.


It already is a good idea independent of the result. To stay into the market you need to continue to invent and try something new. The moment you do not any longer will be when competition wins.

Tizen is already a good idea cause there is a clear trend towards a browser-based system. If they all fail then nothing is lost. But if one of them succeeds Samsung could risk to lose it's current position as number #1 mobile device seller. But if they have already something that can compete with a browserOS product from somebody else then they at least can try to fight.

What happens when you stop inventing is currently demonstrated by Nokia.
"
No argument there..
Too bad HP decided to dump WebOS, but on the other hand, very nice that they decided to open source it.
Hopefully it gets used on some devices, since it's pretty much a finished, working product. Would be a shame to let it go to waste.

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RE[9]: Yes please
by cdude on Thu 5th Jul 2012 08:22 in reply to "RE[8]: Yes please"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

[q]This is how I saw it:
1. Maemo, 2. Moblin, 3. MeeGo, 4. Tizen..
Ok, I know that's a bit unfair, since Moblin and Maemo were completely independent from each other, but it _would_ be correct to say Tizen is the third attempt:
1. Moblin, 2. MeeGo, 3 Tizen..

Since Intel was the main, or one of the main, companies involved in all three of those, and the Linux Foundation hosted all three.
Moblin was Intel + later Linux Foundation.
MeeGo was Intel + Nokia + Linux Foundation.
Tizen is Intel + Samsung + Linux Foundation.

That makes it 3, excluding Maemo, where Intel was participating at. The thing is as I wrote a company should never stop to try something new else the company is dead. That is true for all companies. Even Microsoft which comes up with new strategies to develop for there platform every iteration (C/C++, Silverlight, .NET, HTML5).

In the ideal case you are able to turn all your researches into products and hit the market like a bomb with them while competition has no matching research products they could turn fast into a product to compete again. But the reality is different and that is what we see in the case of Intel with there 3 different platforms. None of them made it into a product yet (well, Moblin became MeeGo, MeeGo was killed by Intels partner beforehand and Tizen is not there yet). Its not a success story, that is true. But it may become a success story some day in which case all the tries before would have been payed out. Sure it would have been better if they went on to make the successful product right from the beginning but hey, not everybody is Apple ;)

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