Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jul 2012 12:59 UTC
Legal While our beloved readers from the United States celebrate their independence (have a good one, guys and girls), the European Parliament has just voted against ACTA with an absolutely overwhelming majority: 478 against ACTA, 39 in favour (and 165 abstentions). I'm raising a coffee to this one, kids.
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Hold the fireworks...
by B. Janssen on Wed 4th Jul 2012 13:10 UTC
B. Janssen
Member since:
2006-10-11

The responsible commissoner De Gucht already said 14 days ago that he would ignore any parliament decision and only accept the European Court decision. A rejection through the court will just initiate a new, ammended version. ACTA is not over yet. See De Guchts statement in front of the parliament: http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/12/4...

BTW, I submitted this 14 days ago.

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RE: Hold the fireworks...
by kwan_e on Wed 4th Jul 2012 13:19 in reply to "Hold the fireworks..."
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

The new ACTA would have the slogan:

"Democracy you MUST agree with!"

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RE[2]: Hold the fireworks...
by zima on Wed 4th Jul 2012 13:29 in reply to "RE: Hold the fireworks..."
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Democracy is non-negotiable.

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RE[2]: Hold the fireworks...
by Fennec_Fox on Wed 4th Jul 2012 18:46 in reply to "RE: Hold the fireworks..."
Fennec_Fox Member since:
2006-10-30

Good one... in then still USSR during the Gorbachev times, around late 80's, there used to be a saying: "regarding the pluralism of views there cannot be any difference of opinion"...

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RE: Hold the fireworks...
by darknexus on Wed 4th Jul 2012 16:01 in reply to "Hold the fireworks..."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

The responsible commissoner De Gucht already said 14 days ago that he would ignore any parliament decision and only accept the European Court decision.


I don't get it. If the commissioner can ignore parliament's decision, what purpose does the parliament serve?

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RE[2]: Hold the fireworks...
by JLF65 on Wed 4th Jul 2012 17:06 in reply to "RE: Hold the fireworks..."
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

It's to fool the masses into thinking they have a say in the government, of course. ;)

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RE[2]: Hold the fireworks...
by B. Janssen on Wed 4th Jul 2012 17:29 in reply to "RE: Hold the fireworks..."
B. Janssen Member since:
2006-10-11

I don't get it. If the commissioner can ignore parliament's decision, what purpose does the parliament serve?


I guess my short blurb was misleading. What De Gucht meant was that he will start a new attempt to get ACTA (modified or not) ratified after the European Court decided on the compatibility of ACTA with the EU body of law, whatever the parliament decides now. That's within the law and not very different from what is happening in normal national legislation. OK, normally failed laws are dropped or sneaked in as a hidden addendum to some other legislation. De Gucht chose to be more defiant or maybe ACTA is just too big to ride on the undercard.

To explain the EU setup post-Lisboa would be a little much at this point, but here is a very short version: the commission is roughly the executive branch while the parliament is the legislative branch. To create a law the commission must suggest it and the parliament must confirm it. De Gucht is one of 27 commissioners (1 commissioner per EU member). The commission is assembled by the 1st commisioner, currently Barroso, and confirmed by the parliament. One term is 4 years and the current term ends 2014. Once assembled, only the 1st commisioner can dismss another commissioner. So to get rid if De Gucht pester Barroso. You can contact him over his website: http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/president/index_en.htm

Edited 2012-07-04 17:30 UTC

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cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

I don't get it. If the commissioner can ignore parliament's decision, what purpose does the parliament serve?


He cannot ignore the decision, he still need a positive decision to enact it. However, he can indefinitely resubmit a directive for vote to the parliament. It usually never happen without a significant change to the directive. In this case, he consider that the parliament is misinformed, and that the parliament would change its opinion after the ruling from the European Court of Justice.

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HotMonkeyNuts Member since:
2012-07-06

Well that is how the EU Democracy works. The Commission is un elected by the people and on the payroll or big corporates. They decide what they want and even if the vote goes against them they either ignore it or demand another vote, and another, and another... Until they get the answer they want, as happened in Ireland.

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RE: Hold the fireworks...
by LB06 on Thu 5th Jul 2012 09:40 in reply to "Hold the fireworks..."
LB06 Member since:
2005-07-06

You may have submitted that some time ago but it wasn't until yesterday that the EP has officially voted.

Also, the EC has indeed indicated they will indeed pursue ACTA further, but at the moment this entails bringing it before the European Court of Justice. All they can do it tell the EC whether or not ACTA is within the confines of the European legal framework. The ECJ is not a legislative body. It will still have to go through the EP, thanks to the Lisbon Treaty.

Please get your facts straight.

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