Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:08 UTC
Google Apparently, this is a major victory of the patent system. This, this right here, this is what the patent system has come to. This is the destructive effect it's having on this once beautiful industry. Thanks to trolls like Apple and Microsoft, basic, elemental functionality is being removed from devices people already own.
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No.
by Adam S on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:43 UTC
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

I own Galaxy Nexus, and I object to this. It's not Tim Cook. The patent system is broken. Blame the gov't, blame the USPTO, but don't blame Apple for using the broken system. You know people try it to them, why wouldn't they do this, as a responsible corporation?

The system is totally effed up, no doubt. But it's not Apple's fault.

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RE: No.
by plague on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:54 in reply to "No."
plague Member since:
2006-05-08

You make it sound like Apple is as much a victim as everyone else..
Oh please, they are one of _the worst_ patent abusing companies on the planet.
They _know_ the patent system is so broken it's ridiculous, and they plan on taking advantage of that in any way they possibly can, and they do. Hence why they apply for patent after patent after patent for anything they can possibly think of, and then litigate like crazy.

That's pretty much the definition of abusing a system.

If there is a fault in a system that gives you too much power, and you take advantage of that to the fullest. That's what abusing a system means and that's what, for example, Apple is doing.

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RE[2]: No.
by Adam S on Thu 5th Jul 2012 00:00 in reply to "RE: No."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

That's all true, but I think the fault lies with the broken system and those who don't change the broken thing.

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RE[2]: No.
by cjosc99 on Thu 5th Jul 2012 03:14 in reply to "RE: No."
cjosc99 Member since:
2011-07-13

Once I commented that Apple is an anachronic dictatorship and that is exactly what they are. They are dirty and ruthless. From the beginning Apple stoled technology from other companies. Xerox is an example just to name one. Yes, they develop high quality products. Products that I will not use or recommend to anyone because of their dirty business practices. ]

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RE[2]: No.
by JAlexoid on Thu 5th Jul 2012 06:33 in reply to "RE: No."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Oh please, they are one of _the worst_ patent abusing companies on the planet.

Well. Apple isn't really. Microsoft takes that crown, due to the fact they they are extending their US patents globally via licensing conditions. Apple is an innocent lamb globally.

They are known to be a very litigious company, much more than others.

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RE: No.
by Valhalla on Thu 5th Jul 2012 00:29 in reply to "No."
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

Blame the gov't, blame the USPTO, but don't blame Apple for using the broken system.

I've always thought this line of reasoning to be incredibly naive. Why is USPTO granting all these pathetic patents out of hand, because they are so incredibly incompetent or because they are told to do so?

Given that USA's last bastion of export is 'intellectual property' it seems rather obvious to me that given the massive pull corporations have with the american government, the frivolous conduct with which patents are granted is a direct result of their lobbying on the matter.

To me it's furthermore equally obvious that after granting all these patents to american based companies, the US will do everything in their power to have these patents recognized outside of US borders.

And yes, I blame Apple for being one of, if not the worst in using these rotten to the core patents to stifle competition, 'slide gesture to unlock'?? 'multilingual keyboard depictions'?? seriously how the hell can anyone think these 'patents' can be granted unless the clerks at the USPTO have been instructed to grant everything which isn't already registered as a patent??

This is also why it's obvious there will be no patent-reform in the US, these companies have paid huge sums of money to buy and file tons of patents in order to prevent others from competing in their markets, they will make sure no laws are passed which will stop them from doing this.

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RE[2]: No.
by Adam S on Thu 5th Jul 2012 00:39 in reply to "RE: No."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

If the system is broken, a responsible company should do whatever is legal in order to best succeed. And if they don't, shareholders should fire the board.

To suggest I'm naive tells me what sort of idealistic viewpoint you're coming from. No further debate necessary.

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RE[2]: No.
by JAlexoid on Thu 5th Jul 2012 06:42 in reply to "RE: No."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Why is USPTO granting all these pathetic patents out of hand, because they are so incredibly incompetent or because they are told to do so?

According to pubpat.org they are paid to grant patents, not refuse them.
It's easier to grant a patent, than to refuse it. People are slaves of metrics and PTO examiners' metrics are how many valid patents they grant.(This effect is known and studied by economists)

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RE[2]: No.
by transami on Thu 5th Jul 2012 06:45 in reply to "RE: No."
transami Member since:
2006-02-28

Under Bush the USPTO was given a requirement to be financially self-sustainable. In effect, it was forced to become a for-profit business instead of a government service. The USPTO really had no choice but to start granting every nuance of patent under the sun.

Some of the patent's they have granted since then are mind numbing. I came across one for using `*` charcter for pattern matching... granted in 2009!

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RE: No.
by pooo on Thu 5th Jul 2012 02:58 in reply to "No."
pooo Member since:
2006-04-22

Why wouldn't a "responsible" company do this??

I see you too are part of the brainwashed capitalist masses who believe that "responsible" corporations _must_ *only* do the absolutely most optimal financial thing possible without consideration for ethics, fairness, spirit of the law.

WTF kind of idiotic notion is that???

That is WRONG. Many corporations do behave ethically. Please abandon this lie you have adopted from your teachers, friends and family.

It is one of the most destructive cop-outs of an excuse for bad corporate behavior around.

IT IS APPLE'S FAULT. It is also the fault of US patent laws because the laws are stupid and the USPTO is ill equipped to deal with things. But it is still Apple who did this.

Jeez.

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RE: No.
by phoudoin on Thu 5th Jul 2012 08:20 in reply to "No."
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

I own Galaxy Nexus, and I object to this. It's not Tim Cook. The patent system is broken. Blame the gov't, blame the USPTO, but don't blame Apple for using the broken system. You know people try it to them, why wouldn't they do this, as a responsible corporation?

The system is totally effed up, no doubt. But it's not Apple's fault.


My first reaction would be to disagree.
But, in fact, I agree, except for one point (see below).
Apple is actually doing *exactly* what's needed to 1) shows everyone the current patent system is broken and 2) pushing it over it limits in order to fire the post-broken-patent-system era.

While we could debate if Apple is doing it voluntary or not (my bet on the latter, though), the point that matter is what will be post-broken-patent-system era, not when or who did fire it.

Considering current trends, I'm inclined to bet on people going to take a finger-up-patent-trolls road, by sharing more and more openly how to crack the walled-garden devices they legitimately think they *own*, not rent.
And this move will push internet freedom to a new limit, that in turn will put every pro-knowledge-censorship under larger spotlight.

Wonderful.

Back to the disagreement point: a responsible corporation, in particular one who trademark image was/is built on producing only top quality, will never resort to (ab)use a broken legal system to stay #1. Instead, per his corporate DNA, it will try to unbreak the legal system.

As we, the people, are trying to do - with our far more limited individual resources, but as we're legions, there is still no doubt on the ending.

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