Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:08 UTC
Google Apparently, this is a major victory of the patent system. This, this right here, this is what the patent system has come to. This is the destructive effect it's having on this once beautiful industry. Thanks to trolls like Apple and Microsoft, basic, elemental functionality is being removed from devices people already own.
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RE[4]: No.
by Adam S on Thu 5th Jul 2012 00:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: No."
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

But not the infrginger... who has a massive legal team of their own?

Because... let me guess... that's the side you're on, right?

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RE[5]: No.
by reduz on Thu 5th Jul 2012 00:35 in reply to "RE[4]: No."
reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

You are very wrong, you miss key facts:

1) With software patents, everyone is an infringer.
2) The infringer isn't going around suing everyone and their moms.
3) The one who is suing the infringer is doing it to stifle competition, not because it was irreversibly harmed.

So, grandparent is right. Google isn't to blame for this, Apple is a moron because it uses a system that is broken instead of competing fairly.

Edited 2012-07-05 00:37 UTC

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RE[6]: No.
by Adam S on Thu 5th Jul 2012 00:38 in reply to "RE[5]: No."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

That is positively insane.

If this were a company you favored, I'd wager you'd call it defense.

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RE[5]: No.
by ichi on Thu 5th Jul 2012 09:33 in reply to "RE[4]: No."
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

But not the infrginger... who has a massive legal team of their own?

Because... let me guess... that's the side you're on, right?


The infringer is already blamed on the courts if the case holds merit (and sometimes even if it doesn't).

Anyway, when it comes to software patents you are right: I sympathize with the infringer, and not because I condone the infringement per se but because I completely disagree with the concept of patents on software.

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RE[5]: No.
by Adam S on Thu 5th Jul 2012 14:31 in reply to "RE[4]: No."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

This comment has four -1 votes, all "troll." Someone explain how it's a troll, because the explanations give? Fucking insane.

The system is broken, but the first place to point the finger is as the people using the system as it's designed? That's just ridiculous, a bunch of idealists masturbating each other. If it matters that much, instead of voting a comment down, DO SOMETHING about it. Vote for people who change it. Meanwhile, I think using the patent system as it is is a responsibility, not an option, for any company. You have to be defensive and offensive about patents, you're either predator or prey in this silly arrangement that exists today.

As it's designed, Google (likely knowingly) violated a patent. I don't care if that's right or wrong - that's the law today. And yet the readers here are climbing all over Apple.

It tells me that what matters and where people are coming from: a place of emotion.

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RE[6]: No.
by reduz on Thu 5th Jul 2012 15:01 in reply to "RE[5]: No."
reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

but the first place to point the finger is as the people using the system as it's designed?


You are wrong, it's completely the opposite. We point the finger at the people using the system in ways it was not designed for. Apple is, Google isn't.

Edited 2012-07-05 15:02 UTC

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RE[6]: No.
by Alfman on Thu 5th Jul 2012 15:30 in reply to "RE[5]: No."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Adam_S,

"The system is broken, but the first place to point the finger is as the people using the system as it's designed?"


It's a matter of principals. Just because the law is broken doesn't mean we should automatically dismiss corporate wrongdoing. Neither corporations nor the law are above criticism.


"Meanwhile, I think using the patent system as it is is a responsibility, not an option, for any company."

I find this justification of profit at any expense extremely disappointing. But I think you are right that this kind of apathetic view is representative of the majority of shareholders who are indifferent to the social harms caused by their companies.

Edited 2012-07-05 15:32 UTC

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RE[6]: No.
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 5th Jul 2012 15:35 in reply to "RE[5]: No."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If it matters that much, instead of voting a comment down, DO SOMETHING about it. Vote for people who change it.


See the article from a few days ago. This is not possible. We cannot change it. If you think we can, give us a realistic method of doing so.

And yet the readers here are climbing all over Apple.


Just because something is the law does not mean somebody has to act upon it. Will you just shrug it off if it affected the company you're working at? What if Apple attacked your company into oblivion? Will you shrug it off as well?

Just because something is legal does not mean you have to do it. Google, HTC, and Samsung have never filed a single offensive patent lawsuit, even though they probably had ample opportunity to do so when Apple entered upon their turf (esp. HTC and Samsung). Apple is the one being a dick - and yes, you can be a dick legally, and just because it's legal doesn't mean we should just shrug our shoulders and move on.

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RE[6]: No.
by Radio on Thu 5th Jul 2012 15:44 in reply to "RE[5]: No."
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

It tells me that what matters and where people are coming from: a place of emotion.
Emotion... Or just using your brain? You know, instead of stopping at "it is the law", as if the law was always right?

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RE[6]: No.
by BallmerKnowsBest on Fri 6th Jul 2012 18:42 in reply to "RE[5]: No."
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

This comment has four -1 votes, all "troll." Someone explain how it's a troll, because the explanations give? Fucking insane.


Ahem...

"No matter what one does, there are always a few people who want to moan and groan about moderation."
- http://www.osnews.com/permalink?c1026

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RE[5]: No.
by ephracis on Fri 6th Jul 2012 22:09 in reply to "RE[4]: No."
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

Hi,

My name is Christoffer and I am most likely an infringer on a large amount of ridiculous software patents in thud U.S. where my software Stoffi is available for download.

I don't have a legal team. I don't have a single lawyer. I create my stuff for free, on my own.

This bullshit will kill my project and everything I have done if the madness spreads. If Apple could shut me down and it benefited them, they would.

They are the bad guys, as is the USPO, the politicians, the non-practicing entities, the lobbyist, etc.

The ONLY non-bad guy here is the one who can't change the system (directly or indirectly).

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