Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:08 UTC
Google Apparently, this is a major victory of the patent system. This, this right here, this is what the patent system has come to. This is the destructive effect it's having on this once beautiful industry. Thanks to trolls like Apple and Microsoft, basic, elemental functionality is being removed from devices people already own.
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phoudoin
Member since:
2006-06-09

Software engineers are very, very highly paid employees.


Yeah, right. We all knows that software engineers are rich, sure. Reality check, anytime?

Do these clowns really think it's in our country's best interest to force our domestic companies to spend huge amounts of money on RnD so that some Korean company can just copy cat our designs and equally profit?


1) Design is not a software
2) *your* definition of copy cat will make every car a copy of the Ford T. The law quite disagree on that consequence.

Android is extremely similar to iOS in many respects


No. The ideas are similar (as most are), the implementation is totally different.
And the idea can't be *own*, except if you keep it secret. As soon as you express it, make it public, show your implementation, others will get it too.
That the beauty of Knowledge - yes, with a big K like in Key concept - and sorry, but Knowledge has made *far* more for humankind than competition and trade.

Oh, BTW, iOS is also become more and more similar to Android on many aspects since a couple of years. Still copy cat, or just another implementation of same idea, like multitasking, system-wide clipboard, central notification?

Patent system was not invented to transform knowledge into a property, but to allow people to have some time to benefit for an idea *first* implementation.

These days it becomes a way to *own* and idea and therefore to forbid any other implementation, sometimes to forbid its implementation even.

And, no, it's not being responsible to (ab)use a system you know is broken but that benefit you more that way. It's called abusing, not using, period.

Last but not least, in a world where corporations are considering like a citizen, often with more rights than an individual, being responsible corporation means to *also* fight for a better world, not just for better profit for itself alone. Otherwise it's just a corporation, but any attempt to called itself responsible is not enough. It's like green-washing. You needs to do what you say, not only say what you think consumer wants you to do.

Anyway, people has power. You wants Apple to change behavior? Stop buying there stuffs and make sure they know why you stop it.

Money system is not yet broken. Let's use it fully.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Oh, BTW, iOS is also become more and more similar to Android on many aspects since a couple of years. Still copy cat, or just another implementation of same idea, like multitasking, system-wide clipboard, central notification?


Bah humbug. They're both just reimplementations of PalmOS.

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phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

" Oh, BTW, iOS is also become more and more similar to Android on many aspects since a couple of years. Still copy cat, or just another implementation of same idea, like multitasking, system-wide clipboard, central notification?


Bah humbug. They're both just reimplementations of PalmOS.
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Noway, Apple don't steal or improve other's ideas.
They *invent* them, from pure void.

That's what the 'i' in iDevice stands for, no?
Or it's just some big ego. Dunno.

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lilsim89 Member since:
2009-11-30

The patent system is old, but so is the U.S. Constitution. It gets reinterpreted all the time.

I do understand where you're coming from, but it simply isn't the capitalistic way of doing things. Over time, companies who devote the time, money, effort, and put the consumer first make the most money. (Save for a few sectors... Oil, for instance.) It isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than socialism or communism. By point:

1.) Software Engineers (in the United States) are highly sought-after and make six figures with a few years of experience. Not many jobs with a BS have that privilege.

2.) You're wrong about the Model T. Henry Ford's patents have expired. There were over 150. Those designs lawfully belong to the world. Thanks for making my argument for me.

3.) Apple's behavior doesn't need changing. They are among the best companies in the world, by anyone's measure. They won't stand for other companies sleeping on the job, then making the best copy cat to profit from. Wan't a great product? Put in the effort.

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Did Apple made a great effort when they copied Xerox's ideas?

Xerox should have sued them into oblivion.

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Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

[q]The patent system is old, but so is the U.S. Constitution. It gets reinterpreted all the time.

Patents go back to the 14th century… slightly older than the US constitution ;) Yet they’ve only seen rampant abuse in the last 150 years :<

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phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

I do understand where you're coming from, but it simply isn't the capitalistic way of doing things. Over time, companies who devote the time, money, effort, and put the consumer first make the most money. (Save for a few sectors... Oil, for instance.) It isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than socialism or communism.


The point is not if it's better than something worth (!), but that the patent system alone it's less better that it used to be.
The fact that it could be way more broken is not an argument for not fixing it now. In fact, it's event an argument for fixing it as soon as possible.

1.) Software Engineers (in the United States) are highly sought-after and make six figures with a few years of experience. Not many jobs with a BS have that privilege.


It's clearly not the case worldwide.

2.) You're wrong about the Model T. Henry Ford's patents have expired. There were over 150. Those designs lawfully belong to the world. Thanks for making my argument for me.


*Before* they expired, every car according to your argument would have been a copy cat of a Ford T, which will have made Ford the sole legitimate car maker until his patents expiration. That would have leaded to several decades during which car innovation would have been quite frozen due to lack of incentive for Ford, thanks for competitors blocked by patents.

3.) Apple's behavior doesn't need changing. They are among the best companies in the world, by anyone's measure.


By best, you mean richest, right?
Because you will find that several people don't share your *measure* about Apple.
I clearly don't.
But my measure is not always money, maybe this explain that.

Wan't a great product? Put in the effort.


So Apple devices's copy cats can't be great product, right?
Why fear them, then!? At worst, they make people who can't afford the great but expensive ones to have a fake Apple device, which could make others who can afford the original cost to buy it.

That's the fallacy about lost-sales. People buying an apparently less great product do it for a reason: either they agree about which one is greater but can't afford it (no sale lost here, as it' entirely due to your product price, nothing else) or they disagree about which one is the greatest and find what you call a copy cat product, well, actually greater.
Which will invalidate your assertion that a) only effort can bring a great product or b) copy an already great product is not that effortless (often called improving, but hey, what's in a name).

If Apple fear about Android devices, it's not because they think they're bad products made without much effort copying Apple ones. It's because they think these devices are great too if not greater than theirs own, which hurt its market (= expensive great products).
They could reduce the price to substain sales. Which they did for the iPad families. They also could improve their own device to stay ahead of competition. Which they don't.

Want steady sales of a once great product? Put in the effort to make the greatest product.
Works both way.

Edited 2012-07-05 15:32 UTC

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shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

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1.) Software Engineers (in the United States) are highly sought-after and make six figures with a few years of experience. Not many jobs with a BS have that privilege.

Yeah right up to the time their job is shipped overseas. The beancounters see these well paid techies and boom, your job is gone.

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