Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:08 UTC
Google Apparently, this is a major victory of the patent system. This, this right here, this is what the patent system has come to. This is the destructive effect it's having on this once beautiful industry. Thanks to trolls like Apple and Microsoft, basic, elemental functionality is being removed from devices people already own.
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Google should license the patents
by tomcat on Thu 5th Jul 2012 11:39 UTC
tomcat
Member since:
2006-01-06

Look, I'm no fan of the patent system, but it's not going away. Google ignored the fact that implementing software without regard to other companies' IP -- without indemnifying carriers -- basically hangs the carriers out to dry. That's wrong. Google should own its responsibility for implementing the software the way that it did, and license the offending patents. Lets not kid ourselves. Apple is using the system in precisely the same way that Google would use it -- if Google owned the IP. Complaining about how Apple is behaving won't help. Google could solve this problem now, if it really wanted to. But it would cost a lot of money. Google clearly doesn't want that expense, but that's the price of operating in this litigious market.

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

You are a horrible, cynical, (a)pathetic, brainwashed person.

Apple's IP is trivial and is not original. The only reason why they have it is the lazyness and incompetency of the patent office.

The only reason they can use it is the ridiculous cost of several-years-long litigation processes, with the risk of having clueless judges getting spinned in the holder's PoV. Re-read the Oracle-Google case on Groklaw, and see how Oracle's ridiculous arguments got ripped in half by a judge which, this one time, was a coder himself.

This is bad, this is stupid, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for trying to defend it.

As for Google's politic, they have not sued offensively anybody using patents. They have only countersued. Your "everybody is bad anyway" point is moot: only Apple and Microsoft are abusing the loopholes of patent law, and anywhere else than the US they fall on their face. And they are really immoral in doing so, for they both have ripped off Xerox for most of their major, non-trivial advances.

Also, pretending Google could solve the problem by themselves is delusional. You are kidding yourself when you say "Lets not kid ourselves".

Edited 2012-07-05 13:19 UTC

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

You are a horrible, cynical, (a)pathetic, brainwashed person.


And you, sir, are an obnoxious douche. Feel better?

Apple's IP is trivial and is not original. The only reason why they have it is the lazyness and incompetency of the patent office.


Says you. I'm guessing you've never registered a patent with the USPTO. I have. Numerous patents, in fact. Asserting that a patent is trivial doesn't make it so. There are administrative processes and legal avenues to fight patents. Google isn't using either means.

The only reason they can use it is the ridiculous cost of several-years-long litigation processes, with the risk of having clueless judges getting spinned in the holder's PoV.


It's a battle well with fighting.

Re-read the Oracle-Google case on Groklaw, and see how Oracle's ridiculous arguments got ripped in half by a judge which, this one time, was a coder himself.


Google won that case. Thank you for demolishing your own argument.

This is bad, this is stupid, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for trying to defend it.


And the alternative to licensing or fighting is ... what? Complaining about it anonymously? Being a douche and criticizing others? Pretending that politicians care?

As for Google's politic, they have not sued offensively anybody using patents. They have only countersued. Your "everybody is bad anyway" point is moot: only Apple and Microsoft are abusing the loopholes of patent law, and anywhere else than the US they fall on their face. And they are really immoral in doing so, for they both have ripped off Xerox for most of their major, non-trivial advances.


Nope, I call BULLSHIT. Google is suing others for infringement through its proxy Motorola. Nice try.

Also, pretending Google could solve the problem by themselves is delusional. You are kidding yourself when you say "Lets not kid ourselves".


See above. Google can fight, license, or ignore. They've chosen to ignore the issues and let their carriers deal with it. Which is pathetic and will ultimately weaken the Android ecosystem -- and rightly so, Android is not as free as the carriers once thought, after IP litigation is factored in. Google is basically telling them to start diversifying to Windows Phone.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Suing based off of FRAND Standard Essential patents is akin to "defending" yourself against a bully who just punched you in the face....by nuking the city he lives in.

It is a dangerous precedent setting extreme, and it doesn't even make fucking sense because its landed Google in some hot water in the EU. They just can't keep doing what they're doing.

It also speaks volumes to the monumental waste of money the Motorola aquisition was. Seriously, all of Moto's patents are either licensed or Standard Essential which means they must be licensed fairly.

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