Linked by nej_simon on Wed 4th Jul 2012 22:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless The only MeeGo device to ever be released, the Nokia N9, has been updated to MeeGo/Harmattan 1.3. Among the improvements are improved performance, updated applications, improved NFC support, improved copy/paste, and more. In other news, the team behind MeeGo and Maemo is now leaving Nokia, probably making this the last update for the N9.
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RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by zima on Thu 5th Jul 2012 13:32 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
zima
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2005-07-06

1. WebOs - poor hardware, no existing software library , no ecosystem elements (like maps, music), no real IDE, lack of experience in mobile marketing, lack of [...] sales

Looks pretty much like Maemo... especially since there's more to ecosystem than maps and music (and BTW, Nokia efforts with the latter also faltered, Maemo maps app was neglected, and lack of in-house maps doesn't seem to harm most manufacturers). IDE situation one way or the other didn't seem to make a difference for devs (but BTW, they happily embraced Android even though the development for it was a bit awkward), and Nokia marketing efforts don't seem to work out too well for some time now (despite massive funds)

Bada is also closer analogy than you make it to be (and it doesn't have particularly poor user experience, it's essentially a more basic Touchwiz, which scales all across Samsung's spectrum of devices). But the best...

3. BB10 - 1.5 year later.

Yeah, pretty much like with Maemo / Meego, at minimum.

The OS is scalable both ways (N9 class hw can be dirt cheap nowadays).

And what does it change WRT its potential market performance? (anyway, Android and WP also go pretty low, even lower, when it comes to hw)

I believe it was definitely a the most real danger to MS plans on mobile

Seriously, this is the kind of magical thinking I point out. The Android and iOS were (and are) a real danger (and that Nokia will go with the former), Meego was hardly on the radar.
You yourself write in the post just above that Android took over.

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RE[6]: Comment by shmerl
by dsmogor on Thu 5th Jul 2012 20:03 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by shmerl"
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2005-09-01

>Looks pretty much like Maemo... especially since >there's more to ecosystem than maps and music
Does it? I think I outlined the differences quite clear.
Want to know other ecosystem elements? Here you are:
- payment (including carrier billing that nobody else had)
- advertising
- app store ( biggest when you remove Google and Apple, absolutely biggest in non-english speaking countries).
As for the looks, well you don't want to compare Nokia industrial design skill HP, do you? True, HP phones weren't

>IDE situation one way or the other didn't seem to make a difference for devs -
as long as some basic standards are met you're right, however I don't think I have seen any decent JS ide that could live up to C++ and Java standards. As for Bada I can't really say. Their C++ library seems to be quite old fashioned.

>And what does it change WRT its potential market performance? (anyway, Android and WP also go pretty low, even lower, when it comes to hw)

WP7 downscalling comes at price of basic functionality.
Remember that in general QT ecosystem included Symbian who would cover low ends that WP (and Android) will not touch for a long time.

> The Android and iOS were (and are) a real danger (and that Nokia will go with the former), Meego was hardly on the radar.
Of course it's not, it haven't even started.
IOS and Android are and will dominate for years to come. I was talking about the race for 3rd ecosystem. Nokia made a big mistake to treat N900 as an experiment. However, by the time N9 arrived (initially Q1 2011) they could have a shot.

> Seriously, this is the kind of magical thinking I point out.
What amount of magic thinking made Elop bet the farm on MS stopgap, smartphone like OS, that was obsoleted 0.5 year after their decision? What amount of it made so called analysts predict 20% market share for it by now?

Edited 2012-07-05 20:04 UTC

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Comment by zima
by zima on Wed 11th Jul 2012 23:59 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by shmerl"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

You really don't see how closely they can share description?...

Plus, you're thinking in terms of old ecosystems ...if they would make such difference nowadays, Nokia would be most likely successful as well with WinPhone, and wouldn't decline so much with mass-market feature phones.

Most telling that you again mention advertising - sure, Nokia had traditionally insane ad budgets, very "cute" commercials, but the returns from that were comparably poor (plus, ad agencies did most of heavy lifting anyway). Ads didn't help WebOS, too.

And yeah, Nokia appstore has big reach, great ...but otherwise it's, again, closer to what WebOS had when it comes to uptake. Nothing close even to the "failure" of WinPhone marketplace.

With IDE I was talking there in more general terms, noting how it doesn't seem to matter much (not like Maemo was very encouraging to devs, with its constant flux) - certainly didn't harm Android (despite some quirks of doing development there), and didn't help WP (despite fabulous dev experience) WRT success in the market.

Remember that in general QT ecosystem included Symbian who would cover low ends that WP (and Android) will not touch for a long time.
> The Android and iOS were (and are) a real danger (and that Nokia will go with the former), Meego was hardly on the radar.
Of course it's not, it haven't even started.

WTH? So first, you mention how there were prolonged efforts to establish Qt (not QuickTime) ecosystem, with its quite long support on Symbian and "solid" promise of smooth Meego transition in the future... (which BTW gave very meagre results, hardly any adoption - but of course you still beliebe that Meego would change everything, right?)
...but just below you manage to make a 180 degree turn and claim "it haven't even started" when it suits you?

Yeah, this is more the kind of magical thinking that I point out.

And BTW, it's a logical fallacy to defend it by pointing at possible separate instance, that of Elop (but if you really think his actions weren't mostly ~intentional ...then yeah, more of it)

Edited 2012-07-12 00:18 UTC

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