Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jul 2012 23:08 UTC
Google Apparently, this is a major victory of the patent system. This, this right here, this is what the patent system has come to. This is the destructive effect it's having on this once beautiful industry. Thanks to trolls like Apple and Microsoft, basic, elemental functionality is being removed from devices people already own.
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phoudoin
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2006-06-09

"The fact that it could be way more broken is not an argument for not fixing it now.

That's like saying keep changing your product until there are no pros and cons, just pros.
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No, that's like saying keep changing your product to *improve* it, period. Like a point on horizon, perfection can't be the goal as it's not reachable, BUT it still remains a very good aim. And the current patent system is not improving.

Saying it could be worse is not an argument to not changing it. It's just the usual conservative argument, often used when the current situation benefits the one making it or people he tends to line with.

Wrong, Chevy licensed some of those patents, and incorporated their own designs and technology and OVERTOOK Ford after 10 years! Why is this point not coming across to anyone!!


Maybe due to prior Selden patent case lesson, without which Ford T sales will have been made illegal...

How ironic that even at this time, patent holders tried to threat competitors to block their business if they don't license their so-called generic patent, until a judge get his common sense back later and rule that this patent isn't that generic...

The same will happened eventually regarding the swipe gesture, the rectangular touch display surface, and even the search multiple search sources at once. And even Apple lawyers knows that. They just choose to make as much profit as possible until that time comes, well knowing that money made now worth more that money they may have to pay in compensation in the future.

"By best, you mean richest, right?


Wrong. People buy Apple products for a reason. They work and look amazing.
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People buying Apple's competitors products for a reason *too*. Go figure!
And I'm not sure everybody will agree that they work and look amazing. Somes could find that they work fine but a bit outdated (smaller screen area anyone?) now and look more hyped than anything.

Profits are a product of that. Apple is the most valuable brand in the world, ranked by Forbes.


We're back to money here, right? Right.

Innovates the most, ranked by BusinessWeek. And last but not least:

"The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI) released its latest report on Tuesday, revealing customer satisfaction ratings for cellphone manufacturers and wireless carriers. The survey says cellphone users are most satisfied with Appleā€™s line of iPhones."


That's nice. Too bad, 1) World is a bit larger than just USA, 2) I'm living in that larger part myself and 3) so my opinion is not represented in that ranking.

But, hey, don't worry, we are so used to this little omission...

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lilsim89 Member since:
2009-11-30

No, that's like saying keep changing your product to *improve* it, period. Like a point on horizon, perfection can't be the goal as it's not reachable, BUT it still remains a very good aim.

You don't even have direction in what you're saying anymore; you only repeat back what I say to you. And "it could be worse" doesn't mean anyone has stopped trying. So save the half-wit philosophical rhetoric.

We're back to money here, right? Right.

Right. See this thing about capitalism... People buy things they like, and don't buy things they don't. And it works well because the people that make those things, get to do so without other people stealing their idea.

Repeat that in your head until you get it.

I'm done talking to you if you refuse to understand that basic principal, or otherwise state that your actual problem is with capitalism itself. Then we can have a meaningful debate.

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phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

"No, that's like saying keep changing your product to *improve* it, period. Like a point on horizon, perfection can't be the goal as it's not reachable, BUT it still remains a very good aim.

You don't even have direction in what you're saying anymore;
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Oh yeah, I'm the one here who goes offtopic from broken patent system to "it's a hell lot better than socialism, I know where you come from (huh? Since when do we know each other that much?!) bla bla bla". Talk about losing direction...
Square one: patent system, broken or not.

And "it could be worse" doesn't mean anyone has stopped trying.


Where did you say or agreed that the current patent system is broken and needs asap a strong change!?
Because I failed to see it in your comments, until this last one. I'm glad it comes out, at last.

"We're back to money here, right? Right.

Right. See this thing about capitalism... People buy things they like, and don't buy things they don't. And it works well because the people that make those things, get to do so without other people stealing their idea.

Repeat that in your head until you get it.
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Thanks, but it still wont make money the unique unit against which people measure how they value something.
And to paraphase yourself, until you acknoledge it or state that money is the only value unit that matter, there no point to continue, indeed.
Maybe I'm not the only one who needs to repeat something to get it.

I'm done talking to you if you refuse to understand that basic principal, or otherwise state that your actual problem is with capitalism itself. Then we can have a meaningful debate.


Oh, sorry, I didn't saw the sign saying "it's my way or the highway".
I disagree with your argument that money/profit is the unique value unit people use to measure a product worth, a trademark, etc. It seems that it was too much for you to argument why you think I'm wrong.
Next time you want to debate about something, check that everybody agree with you *first*.

I very glad to agree with you that we disagree on quite everything.

Edited 2012-07-06 13:57 UTC

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