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Microsoft "Analyzing one of American corporate history's greatest mysteries - the lost decade of Microsoft - two-time George Polk Award winner (and V.F.'s newest contributing editor) Kurt Eichenwald traces the 'astonishingly foolish management decisions' at the company that 'could serve as a business-school case study on the pitfalls of success'."
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RE[3]: Nonsense.
by ssokolow on Mon 9th Jul 2012 04:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Nonsense."
ssokolow
Member since:
2010-01-21

That said, the 20/1 ratio is probably accurate. M$ is still a desktop monopoly, but they could have been so much more by now.


I also wonder whether that's a representative sample. Apple does have The Apple Store and there are independent specialty Apple resellers.

It doesn't seem that hyperbolic to ask "What self-respecting Apple user buys a computer at Best Buy?"

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RE[4]: Nonsense.
by phoudoin on Mon 9th Jul 2012 06:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Nonsense."
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

It doesn't seem that hyperbolic to ask "What self-respecting Apple user buys a computer at Best Buy?"


While I understand this being used as an argument here, I failed to see how someone buying a product somewhere else the *official* stores is less self-respecting.
Since when buying in brand stores is like going to church?!

AFAICT, your iPhone came packaged is exactly the same wherever you get it. Don't tell me it's about having a Apple's sanctified sale ticket, please!?!

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RE[5]: Nonsense.
by demetrioussharpe on Mon 9th Jul 2012 07:30 in reply to "RE[4]: Nonsense."
demetrioussharpe Member since:
2009-01-09

"It doesn't seem that hyperbolic to ask "What self-respecting Apple user buys a computer at Best Buy?"


While I understand this being used as an argument here, I failed to see how someone buying a product somewhere else the *official* stores is less self-respecting.
Since when buying in brand stores is like going to church?!

AFAICT, your iPhone came packaged is exactly the same wherever you get it. Don't tell me it's about having a Apple's sanctified sale ticket, please!?!
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Allow me to shed some light here: Very many Apple users will ONLY by Apple products from Apple Stores. Why? Simple. When you're in an Apple store, you're surrounded by tons of stuff that's been certified to work together by Apple, so you never have to guess about the compatibility; after all, isn't that one of the main reasons people (myself included) by Apple products? So, why would we go to stores like Best Buy (or any other such store) that's bound to have tons of crap that not only isn't totally compatible with our stuff, but also isn't really compatible with each other??? That'd be rather stupid of us. Me personally, I have Apple products & products that run Windows. I can't stand shopping for Apple stuff in any other store besides an Apple Store. I don't like being bombarded with crap. Also, they don't really bother you too much in the Apple Store, they let you shop in peace without hovering. But they're there when you need them. Conversely, stores that sell Windows products are generally staffed with hovering salesmen who're spend a lot of time trying to get you to buy any old piece of crap, even when it's rather obvious that they don't know what they're talking about & that you know more about the subject than they do. So, there you have it. That's why no self-respecting Apple user will be caught dead buying Apple gear from Best Buy (or any other such store) unless it was utterly dire & the very, VERY last resort!

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RE[5]: Nonsense.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 9th Jul 2012 13:54 in reply to "RE[4]: Nonsense."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

If you want to buy an apple product and there is an apple store near by, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't buy from them directly. What kind of customer thinks of best buy as a place to buy apple products? They aren't any cheaper. In other retailers that are now out of business, I often saw older generation products( macs, ipods, ect) sold at current generation prices.

Now having said that, many people do buy iphones at their carrier stores, but they often do a better job with more complicated phone plans than apple.

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RE[4]: Nonsense.
by zima on Mon 16th Jul 2012 22:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Nonsense."
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

> That said, the 20/1 ratio is probably accurate. MS is still a desktop monopoly, but they could have been so much more by now.

I also wonder whether that's a representative sample. Apple does have The Apple Store and there are independent specialty Apple resellers.

From web stats ( http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201107-201207 ), 20/1 seems about right ...yeah, 7% is a bit more - but, remember that Apple owners are more likely to be in countries overall most active on the web, and are also probably a more web-active demographic within their countries.

But generally, there's hardly anything "representative" with the few places where Apple machines have much of any presence, also where there are any significant numbers of Apple stores or independent resellers.

Edited 2012-07-16 22:29 UTC

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