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RE[5]: Nonsense.
by demetrioussharpe on Mon 9th Jul 2012 07:30 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Nonsense."
demetrioussharpe
Member since:
2009-01-09

"It doesn't seem that hyperbolic to ask "What self-respecting Apple user buys a computer at Best Buy?"


While I understand this being used as an argument here, I failed to see how someone buying a product somewhere else the *official* stores is less self-respecting.
Since when buying in brand stores is like going to church?!

AFAICT, your iPhone came packaged is exactly the same wherever you get it. Don't tell me it's about having a Apple's sanctified sale ticket, please!?!
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Allow me to shed some light here: Very many Apple users will ONLY by Apple products from Apple Stores. Why? Simple. When you're in an Apple store, you're surrounded by tons of stuff that's been certified to work together by Apple, so you never have to guess about the compatibility; after all, isn't that one of the main reasons people (myself included) by Apple products? So, why would we go to stores like Best Buy (or any other such store) that's bound to have tons of crap that not only isn't totally compatible with our stuff, but also isn't really compatible with each other??? That'd be rather stupid of us. Me personally, I have Apple products & products that run Windows. I can't stand shopping for Apple stuff in any other store besides an Apple Store. I don't like being bombarded with crap. Also, they don't really bother you too much in the Apple Store, they let you shop in peace without hovering. But they're there when you need them. Conversely, stores that sell Windows products are generally staffed with hovering salesmen who're spend a lot of time trying to get you to buy any old piece of crap, even when it's rather obvious that they don't know what they're talking about & that you know more about the subject than they do. So, there you have it. That's why no self-respecting Apple user will be caught dead buying Apple gear from Best Buy (or any other such store) unless it was utterly dire & the very, VERY last resort!

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RE[6]: Nonsense.
by phoudoin on Mon 9th Jul 2012 09:20 in reply to "RE[5]: Nonsense."
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

But you said "computer", not extra stuff.
As I assume that an Apple user will only buy a computer made by Apple and nothing else, that product is exactly the same whatever the way you get it: a shiny white box with a fruit logo on it, a picture, a few letters and a barecode beside green-washing logos.

How can it matter from which store you get that box, when it's clear they're all the same anyway?

Sure, if you don't know exactly what's your computing device needs are, you're better in the hand of Apple than anywhere else. After all, Apple is *the* brand that knows what's better for anyone...

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RE[7]: Nonsense.
by MOS6510 on Mon 9th Jul 2012 10:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Nonsense."
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

He's right though, Apple users prefer Apple stores.

Near me I only have an Apple premium reseller, but I buy my Apple stuff either there or on-line. Buying it somewhere else doesn't feel right.

You are right, it's the same box and same contents, but not the same setting. A large part of using Apple stuff is the experience and that includes the buying process.

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RE[7]: Nonsense.
by demetrioussharpe on Mon 9th Jul 2012 16:28 in reply to "RE[6]: Nonsense."
demetrioussharpe Member since:
2009-01-09

But you said "computer", not extra stuff.
As I assume that an Apple user will only buy a computer made by Apple and nothing else, that product is exactly the same whatever the way you get it: a shiny white box with a fruit logo on it, a picture, a few letters and a barecode beside green-washing logos.

How can it matter from which store you get that box, when it's clear they're all the same anyway?

Sure, if you don't know exactly what's your computing device needs are, you're better in the hand of Apple than anywhere else. After all, Apple is *the* brand that knows what's better for anyone...


Very many Apple users know exactly what they want & need. They just go for the total experience. In the same way that we like the total experience provided by Apple products, we also like to have a good overall experience when we go shopping. We won't be going to Best Buy for those products, because buying Apple products from a non-Apple Store site is very much similar to using Apple products with Windows machines - it's very dissatisfying.

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RE[6]: Nonsense.
by th3rmite on Mon 9th Jul 2012 13:03 in reply to "RE[5]: Nonsense."
th3rmite Member since:
2006-01-08

Yes because people like you and the other Apple users are just too good to shop at places like Best Buy.

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RE[7]: Nonsense.
by demetrioussharpe on Mon 9th Jul 2012 16:46 in reply to "RE[6]: Nonsense."
demetrioussharpe Member since:
2009-01-09

Yes because people like you and the other Apple users are just too good to shop at places like Best Buy.


Let me tell you something about me. I'm no Apple fan-boy. I use many systems & I'm also a core member of an alternative OS team. I know the value of using the strengths of systems while avoiding the weaknesses. To be honest, I don't by electronics from those types of stores anyway. However, when I buy from Apple, I know that I'll have a great shopping experience -so, I go to the Apple store. It also gives me a chance to play with some of their new stuff that you don't seen in Best Buy. So, YES, I'M TOO GOOD TO SHOP AT BEST BUY! I learned about computers back when there was no such thing as chipsets. I know more about computers than most salespeople. I don't need some dumbass trying to "assist" me in my shopping when he has no idea of what I need & what I'm trying to accomplish. I'm not someone who can be "sold to". I know what I want when I go in. You can't show me an Apple product at Best Buy that I can't also see in an Apple Store, but the reverse isn't true! There'll always be products in an Apple Store that aren't in Best Buy AND I can actually interact with them without some idiot disturbing me while I'm evaluating them. If you can't understand that, then you're the perfect customer for Best Buy -the low end store that it is.

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RE[7]: Nonsense.
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 9th Jul 2012 18:44 in reply to "RE[6]: Nonsense."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Seriously? Best buy is run terribly and most employees are utterly clueless when it comes to technology. They don't understand the most basic features of their devices. Now, best buy sells many more products than apple does, making it more difficult for them. Come to think of it, my last time in an Apple store they also were pretty clueless when it came to basics like " micro usb charger". Which is sort of like walking into burger king and asking for a big mac, but still sad.

So I guess what I'm saying is that bet buy is pretty bad place to shop in most cases. But Apple can be just as bad, if not buying something they absolutely know about.

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