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Comment by PieterGen
by PieterGen on Mon 9th Jul 2012 11:25 UTC
PieterGen
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2012-01-13

This weekend I tried to reinstall Windows XP on my daughters laptop. Coming from a Linux background, I was shocked to see what a complicated and time consuming process this turned out to be.......Especially if you do have a legitimate license, but not the original CD (lost). Simple jobs made very complicated, that is what Microsoft seems to excell at......

Is it incompetence? Or - worse - was this intented to be? Are there really developers with Microsoft whose job it is to complicate stuff beyond compehension?

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RE: Comment by PieterGen
by moondevil on Mon 9th Jul 2012 12:48 in reply to "Comment by PieterGen"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Have you ever tried installing any other operating system besides Linux?

Windows has its issues, but for sure it is much easier to install than many other commercial operating systems.

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RE: Comment by PieterGen
by th3rmite on Mon 9th Jul 2012 13:05 in reply to "Comment by PieterGen"
th3rmite Member since:
2006-01-08

Of course WinXP is a pain in the butt to install. Download any linux distro from 11 years ago and tell me how easy that is to install.

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RE[2]: Comment by PieterGen
by TemporalBeing on Tue 10th Jul 2012 17:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by PieterGen"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

Of course WinXP is a pain in the butt to install. Download any linux distro from 11 years ago and tell me how easy that is to install.


Redmond Desktop Linux was a breeze to install. You even got to play solitaire while it did its thing.

And yes, I installed that around the same time I did a test install of WinXP. Neither survived - WinXP because I couldn't stand it, RDL because it didn't have any developer tools so it wasn't of much use.

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RE: Comment by PieterGen
by maccouch on Mon 9th Jul 2012 13:32 in reply to "Comment by PieterGen"
maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14

if you don't have the cd then it's pretty sure that it will be difficult and time consuming. Apple for example provides a way to do that now with Lion but before you would run in the same issues you did with Microsoft.

Either you pay for your OS and you need to have the media and license, or you don't and then you can just download it. Windows install is a pain i agree, but your specific case was not their fault.

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RE[2]: Comment by PieterGen
by PieterGen on Mon 9th Jul 2012 17:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by PieterGen"
PieterGen Member since:
2012-01-13

"Have you ever tried installing any other operating system besides Linux?" Yes, besides many Linux distros I have (re)installled various Windows versions and some OSX-versions. Oh - and DOS in the past :-)

Linux has great online repositories. OSX at least gives you the CD. Windows you often get pre-installed, that is: legal, with license codes, but without (!) a CD. Yes it is possible to re-install even without the CD, but why for Wodan's sake does it have to be so complicated?

Well, it's a Microsoft thing. I installed an MS Office version on a friend's PC. Next day he calls: his Outlook doesn't start. Turns out that MS Word is the editor (wtf?) for Outlook, and that his Outlook (Dutch language version) does not play nice with the new MS Office (English language version). We're talking new, year 2010, 2011 software here. The concept "language packs" is common practice in OSX, Linux etc. But Microsoft want to complicate things here..... sigh...

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RE: Comment by PieterGen
by lucas_maximus on Tue 10th Jul 2012 02:13 in reply to "Comment by PieterGen"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

TBH with XP you should patch the ISO with n-lite before installing. Otherwise you are in for a painful trip.

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RE: Comment by PieterGen
by MollyC on Tue 10th Jul 2012 02:21 in reply to "Comment by PieterGen"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

I love how Linux folk, who posture as the most tech-savvy people God ever created, are always the ones that struggle to do simple things (especially when those things involve software made by companies that they consider a hated enemy; funny coincidence, that).

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RE[2]: Comment by PieterGen
by Soulbender on Tue 10th Jul 2012 06:27 in reply to "RE: Comment by PieterGen"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Although in all fairness the XP installation is rather complicated compared to a modern Linux distro (and maybe Windows 7/8, I dunno about that).
On the other hand, if you compare the XP installation with a Linux distro from the same time XP was released....yeah, Linux does not fare so well in that comparison.
What this really mean is that both Linux and Windows has made great progress since and complaining about the XP installation process today is a bit pointless

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