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Microsoft "Analyzing one of American corporate history's greatest mysteries - the lost decade of Microsoft - two-time George Polk Award winner (and V.F.'s newest contributing editor) Kurt Eichenwald traces the 'astonishingly foolish management decisions' at the company that 'could serve as a business-school case study on the pitfalls of success'."
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RE[2]: It is a shame
by ThomasFuhringer on Mon 9th Jul 2012 15:04 UTC in reply to "RE: It is a shame"
ThomasFuhringer
Member since:
2007-01-25

They had a lot of managed code in Vista which they ripped out in the next version because it turned out to be not so good an idea...
Ever tried to do a real application in WPF? Where are those great WPF applications after all those years?
They lost 10 years in replacing MFC with something better.

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RE[3]: It is a shame
by ephracis on Mon 9th Jul 2012 15:15 in reply to "RE[2]: It is a shame"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

Ever tried to do a real application in WPF? Where are those great WPF applications after all those years?

Yes. Yes, I did. It's called Stoffi Music Player.

But maybe you don't consider it real enough.

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RE[4]: It is a shame
by _txf_ on Mon 9th Jul 2012 17:44 in reply to "RE[3]: It is a shame"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

"Ever tried to do a real application in WPF? Where are those great WPF applications after all those years?

Yes. Yes, I did. It's called Stoffi Music Player.

But maybe you don't consider it real enough.
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Sure, but I believe he means a complex multiwindow,complex app (good media players should be streamlined by design) like photoshop.

I do have a (single) example, which is Visual Studio 2010 (onwards?). That is the only one I can think of. WPF is not bad per se, but MS completely mismanaged their rollout and evangelism of WPF.

Add to that the competition of Silverlight, similar but not compatible and you have massive confusion.

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RE[4]: It is a shame
by kaiwai on Mon 9th Jul 2012 17:49 in reply to "RE[3]: It is a shame"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes. Yes, I did. It's called Stoffi Music Player.

But maybe you don't consider it real enough.


One single solitary application of minuscule proportions. Call me back when their whole application portfolio is written in it - they've had 10 years to do it so think they've had long enough.

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RE[3]: It is a shame
by MollyC on Mon 9th Jul 2012 17:33 in reply to "RE[2]: It is a shame"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Where are those great WPF applications after all those years?


WPF didn't take off (I believe that Visual Studio itself is a WPF app that's in pretty wide use, as well as accompanying apps like Blend), but where are the Java/FX, Adobe Air, and Google Gears apps? I remember articles written for each of those where those frameworks were going to take over the world (particularly the Google Gears thing, which Google finally killed off). You act like putting together a new app API framework and getting it widely adopted is easy. It ain't.

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RE[4]: It is a shame
by _txf_ on Mon 9th Jul 2012 17:51 in reply to "RE[3]: It is a shame"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

WPF didn't take off (I believe that Visual Studio itself is a WPF app that's in pretty wide use, as well as accompanying apps like Blend), but where are the Java/FX, Adobe Air, and Google Gears apps? .


JavaFX is brand new (but it won't take off). Air or Gears have nowhere near the power or penetration that WPF potentially has via MS.

Microsoft just didn't do anything with it. Most of their own applications don't use it so why should anybody else?

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RE[4]: It is a shame
by kaiwai on Mon 9th Jul 2012 17:53 in reply to "RE[3]: It is a shame"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

WPF didn't take off (I believe that Visual Studio itself is a WPF app that's in pretty wide use, as well as accompanying apps like Blend), but where are the Java/FX, Adobe Air, and Google Gears apps? I remember articles written for each of those where those frameworks were going to take over the world (particularly the Google Gears thing, which Google finally killed off). You act like putting together a new app API framework and getting it widely adopted is easy. It ain't.


WPF was geared as an alternative to the old frameworks hence the comparison between WPF and those other frameworks is asinine at best. Amazing how Apple has been pushing and pushing Cocoa and how the hard work is paying off where as Microsoft has done nothing and as a result you see nothing happen by way of a modern API to replace win32 on which traditional desktop applications can be written.

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