Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jul 2012 22:05 UTC, submitted by Mbg
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Sorry for the delay in writing a story about this, but here we finally are: Nokia's MeeGo (or Maemo or whatever it's called this hour) is getting its successor. Yes, MeeGo, the short-lived but beloved platform running on the unicorn phone, the Nokia N9, will continue onwards in a slightly different form. Its new home? Jolla - a company formed by former Nokia chief operating officer Marc Dillon, who was the principal engineer for MeeGo/Maemo at Nokia since 2006.
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RE: I´m not very hopeful
by shmerl on Tue 10th Jul 2012 02:24 UTC in reply to "I´m not very hopeful"
shmerl
Member since:
2010-06-08

Honestly I don't get why these proprietary networks like Watsapp and etc. pop out like mushrooms here and there, when there is standard XMPP and tons of servers for it.

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jgfenix Member since:
2006-05-25

yes, tell that to your aunt and all your friends: "LetΒ΄s use the xxx server". ItΒ΄s for them easier than simply installing an application and providing a telephone number and email.

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shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

They use different e-mail servers, and don't even in nightmares imagine that they can't send e-mails to users from other e-mail servers. Yet with IMs this kind of prehistoric computing age situation is a norm for some reason. XMPP is not different from e-mail in that regard, and the argument that "the aunt can't get it" doesn't really stand.

Edited 2012-07-10 07:32 UTC

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sicofante Member since:
2009-07-08

Just tell them to use their gmail account and presto. That's not precisely "niche" and fully supports the XMPP protocol.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Because no one has made XMPP easy and consumable. Sure, you can go on into a multi comment rant about how it in theory can be easy, but no one has done it, packaged it up, and put it on an app store.

That's the difference between these theoretical innovations everyone goes on about, and people like WhatsApp actually going out and solving problems.

XMPP is almost a textbook example of having confusing branding. No one understands that shit, and anyone I've ever seen explain it does a terrible job at it.

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shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Really those people who have no clue about what is a browser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ) don't care about branding. They just want a good service. There are good XMPP clients. But the question was addressed to those who create walled garden networks (like Whatsapp) with inflexible clients and no federation. Why aren't they using federated XMPP for their offerings? XMPP is a protocol, not a client or server. Those who create real services (and run IM servers) can create clients using it. Yet at this day and age they don't and push the braindead walled garden approach again and again.

Edited 2012-07-10 22:27 UTC

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No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Google Talk uses XMPP. WhatsApp uses XMPP. Idiot.

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sicofante Member since:
2009-07-08

Because no one has made XMPP easy and consumable.

Google Talk.

It's right there on every Android phone and every N9 too. Probably others.

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Comment by zima
by zima on Mon 16th Jul 2012 23:59 in reply to "RE: I´m not very hopeful"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Honestly I don't get why these proprietary networks like Watsapp and etc. pop out like mushrooms here and there, when there is standard XMPP and tons of servers for it.

You honestly don't get something like that?

All right, let me explain... see, it's hardly about the technology - more what network effects (the people, societal kind) tend to largely promote.
People care what their buddies use (which gives kinda random dynamics), not about openness.

Nearby you point out email, how XMPP works similarly to it - thing it, it's perhaps too much like email, which auntie can really barely do - there is a notable (and frustrating...) shift of many people to communicating via FB or other social networks, and they don't see a problem with it. They don't even really seem have a concept of email as a network of separate mail servers.
(oh, and choosing exactly the same format as emails was not the best choice, it confuses people, they're used to @ meaning email)
Existence of many XMPP servers is irrelevant to them - especially with small servers which constantly disappear, people don't want to bother with such crap.

But you should care ( http://www.osnews.com/permalink?526550 ) even about "closed" XMPP - if Whatsapp essentially uses XMPP, they can as well open one day (three IM networks local to my country did that; not the by far dominant one which is a proprietary in every way monstrosity, and those three are largely abandoned, but still...)

Edited 2012-07-17 00:19 UTC

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