Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jul 2012 21:44 UTC
Windows Jeff Atwood: "In the post PC era, Microsoft is betting the company on Windows 8, desperately trying to serve two masters with one operating system. The traditional mouse and keyboard desktop is no longer the default; it is still there, but slightly hidden from view, as the realm of computer nuts, power users, and geeks. For everyone else, the Metro UI puts an all new, highly visual touch and tablet friendly face on the old beige Wintel box. Will Microsoft succeed? I'm not sure yet. But based on what I've seen so far of Windows 8, its pricing, and the new Surface hardware - I'm cautiously optimistic." So am I. However, a lot - and I mean a lot as in 'everything' - will depend on the quality of the Metro applications. So far, the quality has been utterly abysmal, both for first and third party ones. Microsoft is promising Metro application goodness for RTM, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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RE[2]: Optimism
by WereCatf on Tue 10th Jul 2012 06:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Optimism"
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2006-02-15

As I've said before, I believe that Average Joe and his peers will possibly whine a little at first, but eventually they'll just settle in to Windows 8. And that's actually a good thing: with Windows Store being now an integral part of the OS Average Joe and his peers will quite likely start looking there for apps first and only then on the Internet, meaning that they're much less likely to catch malware or viruses.

Overall I do not see a huge "I want that!!" - reaction from the crowds like they mostly have for the iPhone, for example, but no "I definitely do NOT want that!!" either.

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RE[3]: Optimism
by Gone fishing on Tue 10th Jul 2012 08:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Optimism"
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2006-02-22

As I've said before, I believe that Average Joe and his peers will possibly whine a little at first, but eventually they'll just settle in to Windows 8. And that's actually a good thing: with Windows Store being now an integral part of the OS Average Joe and his peers will quite likely start looking there for apps first and only then on the Internet, meaning that they're much less likely to catch malware or viruses.


Agreed and MS's dominant position on the desktop will give them a way into the new mobile technologies smart phones, tablets etc, or so they hope. The Average Joe will be used to Metro and will want his phone / tablet to work in the same way. Developers will develop for Metro - because it's the dominant desktop platform and these apps will be ported to Metro mobile giving MS the advantage it needs to catch up in this area.

Using your dominance or monopoly in one are to leverage dominance in another is the Microsoft way.

A lot is riding on this for MS and Nokia, if it's a disaster like Vista, MS may be in a terminal spiral of decline.

different small groups pulling things in different directions and no coherent long-time plan whatsoever.


This I disagree with Canonical does seem to have a vision and a plan, whether it work I don't know, but I hope so. This would be good for not only Canonical but Linux and Open-source.

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RE[4]: Optimism
by WorknMan on Tue 10th Jul 2012 20:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Optimism"
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2005-11-13

This I disagree with Canonical does seem to have a vision and a plan


Yeah, Canonical and about 400 distros ;)

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RE[4]: Optimism
by ze_jerkface on Wed 11th Jul 2012 02:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Optimism"
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2012-06-22


This I disagree with Canonical does seem to have a vision and a plan, whether it work I don't know, but I hope so. This would be good for not only Canonical but Linux and Open-source.


Sinfosky and Shuttleworth are birds of a feather. Both are Steve Jobs wannabes who chase trends and don't look at hard numbers.

Remember how Ubuntu thought netbooks would take over? Remember how Linux users would 'get used to' unity but yet Linux mint instead took #1?

Canonical has a plan but it changes every year based on the latest zdnet tech trend.

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RE[4]: Optimism
by zima on Mon 16th Jul 2012 23:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Optimism"
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2005-07-06

A lot is riding on this for MS and Nokia, if it's a disaster like Vista, MS may be in a terminal spiral of decline.

What a disaster, the 3rd most used OS... Second Edition of which (but using a marketing trick of "lucky 7" in its name) is the most popular ever, and quite universally adored.

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RE[3]: Optimism
by ze_jerkface on Wed 11th Jul 2012 02:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Optimism"
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2012-06-22

As I've said before, I believe that Average Joe and his peers will possibly whine a little at first, but eventually they'll just settle in to Windows 8.


So you seem to think that they won't like it right away. Now there's a fucking great business strategy. Release an OS that the majority doesn't like and try to make everyone get used to it.

Why should we not assume that this will be another vista? Why???? I'm just not seeing the logic. The polls say NO THANK YOU. Why should we assume that average joe is going to like invisible buttons and two explorers? Oh and don't forget the TUTORIAL.

Windows, now with a tutorial and invisible buttons. And it now pisses off enterprise.

This is going to be studied by flopologists in the future.

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RE[4]: Optimism
by Nelson on Thu 12th Jul 2012 08:14 in reply to "RE[3]: Optimism"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Vista sold 180million copies in its first year of GA. I hope it is another Vista.

Stupid revisionist history.

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