Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jul 2012 22:05 UTC, submitted by Mbg
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Sorry for the delay in writing a story about this, but here we finally are: Nokia's MeeGo (or Maemo or whatever it's called this hour) is getting its successor. Yes, MeeGo, the short-lived but beloved platform running on the unicorn phone, the Nokia N9, will continue onwards in a slightly different form. Its new home? Jolla - a company formed by former Nokia chief operating officer Marc Dillon, who was the principal engineer for MeeGo/Maemo at Nokia since 2006.
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RE[3]: Iôm not very hopeful
by shmerl on Tue 10th Jul 2012 07:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I´m not very hopeful"
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They use different e-mail servers, and don't even in nightmares imagine that they can't send e-mails to users from other e-mail servers. Yet with IMs this kind of prehistoric computing age situation is a norm for some reason. XMPP is not different from e-mail in that regard, and the argument that "the aunt can't get it" doesn't really stand.

Edited 2012-07-10 07:32 UTC

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Lennie Member since:

That is one of the reasons I don't use Facebook and others. It's the same problem. They are all silos.

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r_a_trip Member since:

I see you've stayed too long in the geeksphere. E-mail is a hurdle for non-geeks. It basically is two lines of configuration with a semi-standardized format in The Netherlands (pop.< provider >.< top level domain > & smtp.< provider >.< top level domain >), but I see a lot of people struggle with it. Most of the time it has been set by someone else, many aeons ago. When they need to do that again, they have no idea what the settings are and what their account credentials were. ("Did I need to keep that letter?") It simply worked all this time.

Asking people to think about their IM server setup is forgetting that only a small percentage of the world is geek. Whatsapp is simple. Just install it. Follow a few questions and bam! you're connected to people you care about. All very convenient and for the low, low cost of $2 per year. Should Whatsapp fold, you simply move on to the next easy solution.

When it comes to XMPP, AFAICT, no app is braindead easy and takes care of the mundane connection settings. More importantly, nobody who anybody gives a hoot about is on an XMMP enabled network.

I have more connections to non-geeks than geeks and I have given up on trying to get "normal" people to move to "the better solution". Where they go, I need to follow. At least if I don't want to sit on a technologically pure but uninhabited island.

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shmerl Member since:

With your logic you need to follow people on all these walled gardens, registering everywhere. I gave up on that, and told people if they want to connect - let them use XMPP (which supports federation). Watsapp is just one example, there are many others and it's just not practical to register on every one of them. In the old days e-mails weren't much better. Users of AOL couldn't send mail to users of Compuserve and etc. This idiocy is long gone with e-mail. Yet with IMs it's pretty hard to get rid of it.

Edited 2012-07-10 14:45 UTC

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btrimby Member since:


email uses MX records (albeit for s2s comms), XMPP uses SRV Records (for c2s and s2s)

you're asked for your credentials for your XMPP account (Let's call it "FooBar IM" or "Google Talk"). Your client looks up the service based on the domain portion of your account through DNS.

Go ahead, try this:

dig SRV

;; ANSWER SECTION: 900 IN SRV 20 0 5222 900 IN SRV 20 0 5222 900 IN SRV 5 0 5222 900 IN SRV 20 0 5222 900 IN SRV 20 0 5222


We have the technology. It's up to clients and providers to use it.

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shmerl Member since:

As noted above, modern clients can detect most settings just from the user name (i.e. e-mail, or Jabber ID for XMPP which contain the domain for example) after connecting to the server. Try setting up an IMAP account in Thunderbird - it just takes a few clicks for the basic default setup. Same story with XMPP.

So it's not the ease of use that drives these IM walled gardens these days. But possibly just greed and desire for domination over users (i.e. precisely the notion of not letting them to communicate with users from other servers).

Edited 2012-07-10 14:51 UTC

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