Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jul 2012 21:44 UTC
Windows Jeff Atwood: "In the post PC era, Microsoft is betting the company on Windows 8, desperately trying to serve two masters with one operating system. The traditional mouse and keyboard desktop is no longer the default; it is still there, but slightly hidden from view, as the realm of computer nuts, power users, and geeks. For everyone else, the Metro UI puts an all new, highly visual touch and tablet friendly face on the old beige Wintel box. Will Microsoft succeed? I'm not sure yet. But based on what I've seen so far of Windows 8, its pricing, and the new Surface hardware - I'm cautiously optimistic." So am I. However, a lot - and I mean a lot as in 'everything' - will depend on the quality of the Metro applications. So far, the quality has been utterly abysmal, both for first and third party ones. Microsoft is promising Metro application goodness for RTM, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post PC era? Really?!?
by karunko on Tue 10th Jul 2012 11:32 UTC
karunko
Member since:
2008-10-28

I don't know about you, but for me it's very hard to take seriously anyone using this cliche, so could we please drop this whole "post PC era" nonsense and put things into perspective instead?

Here's a quick recap:

PC units sold in 2007: 271 million (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=584210)

PC units sold in 2008: 302 million (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=856712)

PC units sold in 2009: 306 million (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1279215)

PC units sold in 2010: 351 million (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1519417)

PC units sold in 2011: 353 million (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1893523)

Forecast for 2012: 368 million (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1944914)

Forecast for 2013: 400 million (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1944914)

In other words: repeat a lie often enough and it quickly becomes the truth. Sure, the PC market's growth rate doesn't lend itself to hyperbole but, let's face it, this is typical for any mature technology. And yes, margins in the PC industry are razor thin, Apple is worth a gazillion trillion, yadda yadda yadda.

Still, assuming the forecast is right, PC shipments worldwide are going from 271 million in 2007 to 400 million in 2013, so: what is this post PC era everybody seems to be raving about? ;-)



RT.

Edited 2012-07-10 11:37 UTC

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RE: Post PC era? Really?!?
by Dr.Mabuse on Tue 10th Jul 2012 23:40 in reply to "Post PC era? Really?!?"
Dr.Mabuse Member since:
2009-05-19

I think this is spot on.

It seems that Microsoft is frothing at the mouth to get a piece of the iPhone/Android action, probably because they see the control that Apple has over their whole computer ecosphere. This is of course completely opposite to the PC philosophy most people know and love.

I've mentioned it before, but it seems to be worth repeating: Microsoft, it appears, does not understand it's own real assets. As the above post demonstrates, the PC is not going anywhere.

We have a lot of mobile devices in my office, but I can assure you that when the B.S. stops, and people want to get work done, they all return to their Dell workstations, fire-up Solid Works, Unigraphics, Altium, In-Design and a plethora of other "serious" PC applications that could never hope to be ported to the mobile style platforms.

Why not focus on continuing making *this* experience the best?

With that said, I still think the idea of a "mobile component" to Windows 8 is smart (for those notebook/tablet hybrids) but instead of pushing Metro to the front, it should have simply been another part of the OS that can "fire-up" when needed.

In the rush to appear hip and relevant, they are once again (IMHO) making a mess of things. I guess only time will tell if I'm right...

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RE[2]: Post PC era? Really?!?
by Nelson on Wed 11th Jul 2012 05:50 in reply to "RE: Post PC era? Really?!?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

The experience you outline above is in the clear minority, and in fact, still possible with Windows 8. People just enjoy concern trolling.

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RE[2]: Post PC era? Really?!?
by zima on Mon 16th Jul 2012 23:24 in reply to "RE: Post PC era? Really?!?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I can assure you that when the B.S. stops, and people want to get work done, they all return to their Dell workstations, fire-up Solid Works, Unigraphics, Altium, In-Design and a plethora of other "serious" PC applications that could never hope to be ported to the mobile style platforms.
Why not focus on continuing making *this* experience the best?

Especially various ~CAD stuff could be great on large touchscreen (going "back" to the concept of drawing boards - we lost some good things when they were largely abandoned - and building upon them in ways which ~desktop OS cannot), making the experience *much better*. You really don't see that?

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RE: Post PC era? Really?!?
by ze_jerkface on Wed 11th Jul 2012 02:55 in reply to "Post PC era? Really?!?"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Yea but those are numbers. Post-pc isn't about numbers, it's more about headlines.

Sinfosky doesn't work on numbers and Ballmer lets him do was he pleases.

Numbers are overrated. Man got on the moon by reading headlines and feeling the space age.

Now I'm off to the casino to make 10 million dollars.

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RE[2]: Post PC era? Really?!?
by Nelson on Thu 12th Jul 2012 08:09 in reply to "RE: Post PC era? Really?!?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

You really have an odd obsession with Sinofsky. Your comment history is pretty telling.

Its very impressive how you've managed to make me discover a new way to scratch my head with your nonsensical comments.

You've gone off the deep end, I'm afraid. Microsoft never embraced the post PC philosophy, in fact, their approach has been decidedly more inclusive than others.

People conflate the reality that mobile form factors are becoming the norm, with an acceptance of an Apple talking point.

This fall will be just as satisfying as it was watching the Vista haters squirm when Windows sells hundreds of millions of copies.

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