Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jul 2012 23:07 UTC
Legal Since I want to get this out of my system: here's a set of proposals to fix (okay, replace) the current failing patent system. No lengthy diatribe or introduction, just a raw list.
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RE[3]: Good, but...
by zima on Tue 10th Jul 2012 13:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Good, but..."
zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

Make that the same for up-votes? Horde groupthink up-voting of a bit silly posts is also too often visible... (also as in: vote-whoring posts that don't really say anything, but will make enough people nod in agreement "hey, that's how I think!")

Sure, it's not really so distorting, but it's a bit sad when you see quick "clever" almost-one-liners that were up-voted through the roof simply for targeting groupthink, while some long & interesting posts down the line barely can get to 3-5.
But I guess that's also the typical dynamics of comments, people jumping quickly on first posts, imposing such pace, and then it quickly dies out.

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RE[4]: Good, but...
by Alfman on Tue 10th Jul 2012 14:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Good, but..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

zima,

"But I guess that's also the typical dynamics of comments, people jumping quickly on first posts, imposing such pace, and then it quickly dies out."

Actually, this is probably a consequence of the voting system used on OSNews, which artificially restricts voting later in the discussion. Unless one abstains from voting (and posting) at the beginning of the discussion, they'll loose their ability to vote on posts later in the discussion when only those with duplicate accounts or who didn't post can vote. I prefer a strait forward voting system, because the current one can't be considered representative.

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RE[5]: Good, but...
by zima on Tue 10th Jul 2012 14:45 in reply to "RE[4]: Good, but..."
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It's more than just that. For example, look at the most recent main page discussion: http://www.osnews.com/comments/26165

What does the first post even say, is there any real substance to it? I mean, it's "positive" of course, easy to agree with - but why is it at 9, the highest-rated post of the discussion? You don't have to vote.
Furthermore, note that a post fairly down the line ( http://www.osnews.com/thread?526160 ) is also quite high ...while, apparently, what it says and its source are not even factually correct - but it's something many would wish for, and overall it's still closer in nature to a one-liner that few earlier longish, interesting, and lower-rated posts.

No, it's also us, it seems that twitter-like messages are just more "effective" on people; probably we're just much less likely to read and/or appreciate the long ones - which required some thought to write them down, and require it when reading. Plus, considering how the short posts are less meaningful, less specific - they have that vote-whoring effect, more likely to be found agreeable by like-minded group.

Not artificially (? ...are there any natural moderation systems? ;) ) restricting voting later in the discussion would probably still promote mostly-one-liners, possibly even more so.

Maybe, one day, a post-webcam technology can determine if you actually read posts before moderating, maybe coupled with separate "baskets" of votes (per post length category), and perhaps even neural monitoring to determine the effort both when writing and reading ;)
I wonder how that would work out... ;)

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