Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jul 2012 22:05 UTC, submitted by Mbg
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Sorry for the delay in writing a story about this, but here we finally are: Nokia's MeeGo (or Maemo or whatever it's called this hour) is getting its successor. Yes, MeeGo, the short-lived but beloved platform running on the unicorn phone, the Nokia N9, will continue onwards in a slightly different form. Its new home? Jolla - a company formed by former Nokia chief operating officer Marc Dillon, who was the principal engineer for MeeGo/Maemo at Nokia since 2006.
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Lots of wishful thinking here
by ze_jerkface on Thu 12th Jul 2012 00:25 UTC
ze_jerkface
Member since:
2012-06-22

I understand the geek appeal but MeeGo lost its window of opportunity. It wasn't ready when it needed to be and Android is now an established brand.

There are no consumer selling points with MeeGo. All the benefits are for developers and open source fans. Sure it could pick up some weekend developers but the big game companies make decisions based on economics. Handset companies won't care about it either. Why bother when Android is free? Hell a company like Samsung could probably get WP7 for negative dollars. It's just not happening.

Sorry guys but the window closed on this one.

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shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

With this logic nothing new can ever be produced. It's the mood of total stagnation. Jolla are right to innovate. They have expertise, they have previous accumulated effort (in Mer/Qt and open source community). Those who don't want can stay behind.

Handset companies won't care about it either.

Who said? Jolla already found partners amongst ODMs.

Edited 2012-07-12 04:04 UTC

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

ODMs dont have much to lose, they get paid either way.

Heads they win, tails Jolla writes off unsold inventory.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

With this logic nothing new can ever be produced. It's the mood of total stagnation. Jolla are right to innovate. They have expertise, they have previous accumulated effort (in Mer/Qt and open source community)

You know, come to think of it... what we can be certain of, is they have a lot of experience at missing targets.

And generally, from history, it shouldn't surprise us if, once some players are properly established, then later efforts won't fare so well (like it was with desktop OS)

Still, I'm looking forward to you having the same "let's try new stuff!" anti-stagnation approach WRT Metro.

Edited 2012-07-17 00:05 UTC

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I really hate having to agree with you.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Yes, of course. if you're not a billion dollar company what's the point?
Seriously, get it in to your damn heads that you don't have to be a multi-national mega corporation to be successful.

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RE: Lots of wishful thinking here
by cdude on Thu 12th Jul 2012 08:45 in reply to "Lots of wishful thinking here"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

but MeeGo lost its window of opportunity.


Why? What changed since then?

The argument when Nokia was switching to WP was, that there is a demand for a 3th ecosystem. WP was not able to fill that demand. Its, what?, 7th ecosystem so small that Forbes and others to not even bother to split the CE and WP marketshares any longer.

Since then there was exactly no other system which took over, which was able to fill that demand. Maybe Tizen will, end of the year. Maybe Blackberry 10 will, beginning of next year, maybe WP8 will, end of this year OR maybe Jolla will end of this year. See, how all the alternates are expected to hit market the same time? See how none of them made it to the market since MeeGo got killed? See that the only alternate to MeeGo was WP7 and, rather then WP, it indeed could have filled that demand. Yes, MeeGo was ahead of time. That is lost now. Now its only on time.

Will be an interesting race to follow. I bet my money on Jolla but maybe Tizen or Blackberry 10 would do too. Maybe even more then one does just like for example Bada filled a demand. Its not decided yet.

Android is now an established brand.


Are you living under a rock? Android was a established brand last year already and some would say even before.

There are no consumer selling points with MeeGo.


Customers see that different. There are reasons why the N9 sold better then Lumia even under that conditions.

All the benefits are for developers and open source fans.


You can say the same about Android and it would be as wrong. Only because it uses open source does not mean its only of interest for open source hackers. Give the N9 a try and you will notice how much it is target to the mass-market (no terminal except you activate the developer-mode, no filesystem-hierachy except you install 3th party filebrowser, no feature-blood except you install all kind of 3th party feature-apps and so on). In its defauylt configuration that device does target far less developers then average users.

Why bother when Android is free?


For the same reason Samsung does Tizen. For the same reason people agree that there is demand for a theird ecosystem beside iphone and Android.

Hell a company like Samsung could probably get WP7 for negative dollars. It's just not happening.


Samsung does WP7!![1] and offers phones running WP7 and they pay license fees like everybody else. But just like for every other WP vendor the Samsung WP does not sell. Hey, we are talking about Samsung. If Samsung cannot sell WP nobody can. But Samsung was clever enough to not put all on WP but also do Android. That is the difference between Samsung and Nokia, between success and failure.

[1] http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/omnia7/

Edited 2012-07-12 09:00 UTC

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Codester Member since:
2008-10-24

Samsung does WP7!![1] and offers phones running WP7 and they pay license fees like everybody else. But just like for every other WP vendor the Samsung WP does not sell. Hey, we are talking about Samsung. If Samsung cannot sell WP nobody can. But Samsung was clever enough to not put all on WP but also do Android. That is the difference between Samsung and Nokia, between success and failure.

The fact that Windows Phone can't get traction and Blackberry is falling seems to suggest that the market only has room for two phone OSes. There are only so many choices the average person can handle. And in the case of an OS, two very well could be the maximum. Throw in the "thousands of apps" impediment to new entrants and it's even worse news for someone trying to break in.

Edited 2012-07-13 06:12 UTC

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Why? What changed since then?


Arguably, nothing. If Jolla can create a compelling ecosystem (a big, huge, gargantuan IF) then maybe they can be competitive.

Nothing in MeeGo was ever intrinsically terrible, except for the fact that Nokia could not bootstrap an ecosystem in time.

It was prohibitively expensive in both time and money.


The argument when Nokia was switching to WP was, that there is a demand for a 3th ecosystem. WP was not able to fill that demand. Its, what?, 7th ecosystem so small that Forbes and others to not even bother to split the CE and WP marketshares any longer.


Windows Phone IS the third ecosystem. Sales be damned, the ecosystem is growing at an astonishing rate (outpacing Android even). It has amassed over 100,000 apps and over 20,000 developers in 18 months.

To understate that is dishonest.


Since then there was exactly no other system which took over, which was able to fill that demand. Maybe Tizen will, end of the year. Maybe Blackberry 10 will, beginning of next year, maybe WP8 will, end of this year OR maybe Jolla will end of this year. See, how all the alternates are expected to hit market the same time? See how none of them made it to the market since MeeGo got killed? See that the only alternate to MeeGo was WP7 and, rather then WP, it indeed could have filled that demand. Yes, MeeGo was ahead of time. That is lost now. Now its only on time.


I agree here, BB10, WP8, and MeeGo (I highly doubt they'll hit market before 2013) have opportunities (though WP8 looks a lot better in this regard, BB10 will also miss 2012).

Tizen, is for all intents and purposes, to me, never coming out. Seriously. How long has this shit been going on already?


Will be an interesting race to follow. I bet my money on Jolla but maybe Tizen or Blackberry 10 would do too. Maybe even more then one does just like for example Bada filled a demand. Its not decided yet.


Um, Bada sales fell off of a cliff. In fact, Bada probably serves as a case study for what would've happened to the N9. Strong initial sales, but the lack of an ecosystem would've crushed it.

Have you heard anything on the Bada SDK recently? No? Me either.

Customers see that different. There are reasons why the N9 sold better then Lumia even under that conditions.


That's interesting, because there are no N9 sales numbers. The "numbers" posted from the Symbian Forum was already shown to be misleading and inaccurate. There is simply no way to gauge N9 sales.


Samsung does WP7!![1] and offers phones running WP7 and they pay license fees like everybody else. But just like for every other WP vendor the Samsung WP does not sell. Hey, we are talking about Samsung. If Samsung cannot sell WP nobody can.


Except that Nokia has sold more Lumias in less than a year than Samsung has sold Windows Phones.

So, someone can actually sell Windows Phone. There is just an upper limit on sales by the dynamics of the sales channel.

Its more of a B2B issue in the channel than an issue of merit. Windows Phone isn't inherently bad, less capable, or less suited to be the Smartphone king. It just is coming up against a really entrenched competitor with a strong headwind.

Samsung had nothing more than token gestures on Windows Phone. Anyone can see that.

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