Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jul 2012 22:24 UTC
Features, Office Microsoft has released a consumer preview for Office 2013. Highlighting the age-old internal tug-of-war between the Office and Windows divisions within Microsoft, it's just a desktop application, no Metro, and the only nod to that whole touch/tablet-thing is a special mode that does very little. So, Windows 8 is just around the corner, and still not a single serious Metro application. Not even Microsoft's own flagship suite - heck, not even a single application within that suite - could be adapted to Metro in time. Serious vote of confidence from the Office division there.
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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

but today's tech writers are so jaded and/or know nothing about Office except on a very cursory level, that they don't do it justice.


Uh, my income depends on Office. I use it 8-12 hours a day.

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ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

" but today's tech writers are so jaded and/or know nothing about Office except on a very cursory level, that they don't do it justice.


Uh, my income depends on Office. I use it 8-12 hours a day.
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And what do you do exactly with Office? I know plenty of people who use it as much as your claim, and most are not what I would call an `Office expert`. They probably don't even know what half the capabilities are, much less have any real knowledge or experience with them.

Your needs, like theirs, may be minimal thus making you ill-suited to do any revealing or in-depth reviews of the software.

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tanzam75 Member since:
2011-05-19

Uh, my income depends on Office. I use it 8-12 hours a day.


I don't know about you, Thom, but the other Tom (Warren) doesn't seem to know that much about Office.

The streamed install of Office is not new -- Office 2010 was also available that way. The reading view is not new -- it was introduced about 10 years ago with the Tablet PC. The PowerPoint presenter view is also not new -- perhaps it got some enhancements, but the review gushes over features that have existed for years.

And the other Tom is certainly not much of an Excel user. He didn't mention that Excel and PowerPoint are no longer MDI applications!!! Hallelujah!!! You can now put two Excel windows side-by-side, and copy-paste cells between them!!! This is a feature that serious Excel users have been waiting 12 years for!!!

Edited 2012-07-17 21:17 UTC

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edwdig Member since:
2005-08-22

And the other Tom is certainly not much of an Excel user. He didn't mention that Excel and PowerPoint are no longer MDI applications!!! Hallelujah!!! You can now put two Excel windows side-by-side, and copy-paste cells between them!!! This is a feature that serious Excel users have been waiting 12 years for!!!


The big problem with Excel for ages is that it hasn't been MDI for a long time. Probably since Office 2000 or so, I don't really remember.

With the old MDI versions, you had one menubar + toolbar and multiple document windows inside the main window. You could put the documents side by side. MS ditched that long ago for an SDI interface, but did do it a awkwardly with Excel. I really wish they kept the MDI for Excel, that would have been much easier to use than what we've had.

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MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

" but today's tech writers are so jaded and/or know nothing about Office except on a very cursory level, that they don't do it justice.


Uh, my income depends on Office. I use it 8-12 hours a day.
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You remind me of a Carly Simon song. ;)
I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking about some kid at gizmodo TheVerge or some such that doesn't even know what a pivot table is, yet is assigned the task of "reviewing" a spreadshet app.

I wasn't talking about you, as I don't consider you a "reviewer" or consider your opinion pieces to be official "reviews". I guess some of them are "reviews", but I view your opinion pieces more like blog entries; I don't hold those to the same standard that I hold the official reviews of the big sites. So I wouldn't expect your opinion pieces to display the same depth of knowledge of features as I would expect of the big sites. The fact that sometimes your pieces are more detailed than the reviews of the big sites is just a further indictment of those sites.

Edited 2012-07-18 08:04 UTC

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Question: What features do you think is worth the $200 or whatever the cost is there to upgrade? What can this Office do that is worth the amount of cash it will cost you?

The reason I ask is that I've stayed with office 2K on my netbook and 2K7 on my desktop simply because those MSFT liceneses are a sunk cost and I've seen nothing in the newer versions that would be worth the upgrade cost for me. Heck if I wouldn't have won that copy of Office 2K7 at a technet awhile back I'd probably still be using 2K3 at home!

So for myself and talking with my business customers most see nothing there that would be worth the upgrade costs. Most of my business customers are on 2K3 or 2K7 and are quite happy with what they have and in a dead economy an expensive piece of software has to show clear advantages over previous versions and I just don't see anything that would qualify as the "killer app" over say 2K7. Heck with the conversion pack I can open the newer formats just fine in Office 2K so even with a version that old I haven't seen a truly compelling reason, at least for me, to switch and I'd like to hear what you'd think is worth it in this release.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Does the grammar checker improve over time? I mean, I think they were quite horrible, last time I heard - so there's presumably plenty of room of improvement.

Might be useful at least as a foreign language writing aid, a scenario which possibly covers most people writing in EN ( http://www.osnews.com/permalink?527180 - see, he could use it some ...what does that post even say?)

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