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Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Like Ubuntu's Unity interface? Great. If not, you can easily change it to look and act like Ubuntu used to. This tutorial shows how.
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RE[3]: My complain about unity
by Gone fishing on Tue 17th Jul 2012 19:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My complain about unity"
Gone fishing
Member since:
2006-02-22

I don't think your being serious. To say that Unity is being imposed in a totalitarian manner is bizarre. Firstly Canonical had little choice, as Gnome 2 is being depreciated by Gnome (not Canonical). Canonical then had to make a choice and they decided to develop Unity and this seems to me to part of a vision that Canonical has for its OS - now considering lack of vision is claimed to be a Desktop Linux fault it seems unfair to criticize Canonical for it - it also shows Canonicals commitment to develop something.

As for not having choice - you want the old desktop no problem sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback you want Gnome 3 sudo apt-get install gnome-shell the commandline too difficult its in software centre. You want Fluxbox, blackbox no problem. Or install Kubuntu etc. How easy do you want it to be to change you windows manager?

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RE[4]: My complain about unity
by Alfman on Tue 17th Jul 2012 20:59 in reply to "RE[3]: My complain about unity"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Gone fishing,

"I don't think your being serious. To say that Unity is being imposed in a totalitarian manner is bizarre."

I actually said "partially totalitarian" (which sounds contradictory given that partial<>total, however it's not contradictory in my meaning). In light of that it should be less bizarre.


"Firstly Canonical had little choice, as Gnome 2 is being depreciated by Gnome (not Canonical)."

It's true that Canonical wasn't directly responsible for ending Gnome 2, but never the less they could have continued to offer it and encouraged third parties to continue it's development instead of snubbing it completely given that it had such a large user base. It's true Mint has stepped up to the plate, but that isn't a good reason for Ubuntu to drop the ball, IMHO.


"As for not having choice - you want the old desktop no problem sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback you want Gnome 3 sudo apt-get install gnome-shell the commandline too difficult its in software centre."

I actually tried, I couldn't get it working by messing around with packages, so I gave up and went to Mint. Maybe I could have gotten it working eventually but at some point you have to ask why users should have to work so hard at restoring previous functionality.

Anyway, it's history now. Ubuntu is big enough to survive the gaffe, and I'm still glad that they're here. Maybe I'll give them a shot again, but honestly I don't know what they have now that Mint doesn't?

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Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

It's true that Canonical wasn't directly responsible for ending Gnome 2, but never the less they could have continued to offer it and encouraged third parties to continue it's development instead of snubbing it completely given that it had such a large user base.


Unrealistic. The Gnome developers dropped that code because they didn't want to go near it, because they wanted to break with all the accumulated cruft - mistakes they'd been trying to get rid of for years, but were stuck with in the name of compatibility. Even if they offered to pay them, Canonical would have struggled to find developers willing to work on it...

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

It's true that Canonical wasn't directly responsible for ending Gnome 2, but never the less they could have continued to offer it and encouraged third parties to continue it's development instead of snubbing it completely given that it had such a large user base. It's true Mint has stepped up to the plate, but that isn't a good reason for Ubuntu to drop the ball, IMHO.


Canonical could have done what you suggest, they instead chose to develop their own desktop environment, and pursue their own vision of what a Modern Desktop should be like. I think this will in the end turn out to be the right decision. Remember that Mint has already done this, their desktop is nothing like a standard Gnome 2 Desktop, I also suspect that Mint will pursue the Cinnamon desktop and when it is mature drop MATE. Ubuntu's vision is more radical than Mints and less Windows like.

I actually tried, I couldn't get it working by messing around with packages, so I gave up and went to Mint. Maybe I could have gotten it working eventually but at some point you have to ask why users should have to work so hard at restoring previous functionality.


Obviously Ubuntu is not asking you to, they want you to use Unity and the new functionality. I haven't tried to return to Gnome 2, but I do have two WMs installed Blackbox, and Fluxbox. It really was as easy as running a single command

Anyway, it's history now. Ubuntu is big enough to survive the gaffe, and I'm still glad that they're here. Maybe I'll give them a shot again, but honestly I don't know what they have now that Mint doesn't?


This is true and I also think Mint is quite cool, time will tell if either Ubuntu or Mint got it right. In my opinion Canonical made the decision to advance the Linux desktop in a new and unique direction and I think that will turn out to be right decision.

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spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

Gnome is actually Red Hat, Novell and volenteers.
http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2010/07/28/gnome-census/
Of course canonical have no say in the direction GNOME takes. If they hired some developers to work with GNOME they would have the power to choose where they go.

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