Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Jul 2012 17:10 UTC
Legal "A judge in Britain is forcing Apple to publicly acknowledge that Samsung didn't copy the iPad, according to a report by Bloomberg. A judge has ordered Apple to post a notice on its website and in British newspapers highlighting a recent ruling that Samsung didn't copy the iPad. Apple must leave that notice up on its website for the next six months." Apple can still appeal this decision, but I'm hoping it'll be denied. This is just too hilarious not to go through.
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RE: I'm happy!!!
by kaiwai on Thu 19th Jul 2012 04:53 UTC in reply to "I'm happy!!!"
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Apple was just awarded a patent for disappearing scroll bar and boy, was I annoyed! But this decision brings happiness again hehe :-)

I can't wait to see what joke John Gruber is going to crack on this given that his blog is not biased at all.

I saw a similar article a few days ago and my reaction was complete and utter silence at the display of epic stupidity taking place. It is really getting to the point now that in the future Microsoft appears to be a lot more mature when it comes to matters of patents. Sure, people may not agree here when it comes to the royalties paid by Android vendors to Microsoft but at least Microsoft were willing to sit down and negotiate where as Apple is just banging their fists like a spoilt child demanding that Android to have 90% of its functionality stripped out.

I've always thought that Microsoft and Apple were very similar in douchbag behaviour but it appears that I was wrong. Where as Microsoft will invoke patents but negotiate to a settlement where as on the other hand we have Apple refusing to negotiate, refusing to even accept an offer where by the said technologies are licensed at a reasonable price with both sides coming out happy. I wish there was some way to force Apple to accept a court mandated licence - $1 per device with unlimited access to all Apple patented technologies. Such a settlement would ensure that in future Apple negotiates and comes to a settlement or otherwise a court settlement would be imposed upon them.

Edit: As a die hard Apple user this maybe my last Apple product. I can accept there will be cases where companies will accuses each other of patent violations but most will settle out of court, come to an agreement and the world moves on. Sorry but although I have no personal relationship it does make my cringe that I'm associated with such a pack of douchbags every time I turn on my Mac. For all the faults of Microsoft at least they're mature and behaving like a mature company such as IBM and HP etc. Lenovo have some great computers (Thinkpad and Thinkstation) along with the Surface appearing soon - then couple that with Office 2013 and integration with the Microsoft cloud services, Apple is making it very difficult for someone like me to be a repeat purchaser of their products. Yes, I'd even jetison my iPhone in favour of a Windows Phone 8 device too.

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RE[2]: I'm happy!!!
by adkilla on Thu 19th Jul 2012 09:41 in reply to "RE: I'm happy!!!"
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Unfortunately, MS might only continue with such a business strategy while their products are still struggling in the market. Any attempt by MS now to squeeze competitors out of the market would only suit Apple. Also, recently they have been using Nokia to do the dirty work of patent litigation. MS may change their strategy after their competing products does gain some significant ground or if Nokia does go under.

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RE[3]: I'm happy!!!
by zima on Wed 25th Jul 2012 23:55 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm happy!!!"
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Also, recently they have been using Nokia to do the dirty work of patent litigation.

Don't jump on new urban myths... Nokia was always defending its R&D, nothing new came out recently ( and comments showing it's BS)

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RE[2]: I'm happy!!!
by mrstep on Thu 19th Jul 2012 17:27 in reply to "RE: I'm happy!!!"
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It's not that I like this patent crap either, but if Apple didn't patent the disappearing scroll bar, then someone else would and would sue them / try to block their products. The system is just a friggin' mess. I'm fully aware the none of the big companies are trying to change it since they happen to be the only ones with enough money to abuse other companies (i.e. this helps keep small companies down because they can't afford to play in this sandbox), but it isn't specifically Apple.

In terms of thinking Microsoft is more mature: Were you too young to follow the antitrust lawsuits and why they were happening? Combining dominant market position with incompatible networking / file formats / APIs, forced bundling of their OS, wholesale theft of technologies, etc. doesn't strike me as the example I'd use. The government has them on a tight(er) leash today. If Apple had a 90+% ownership of smartphones / PCs / whatever, you'd be more likely to see the government step in - they get somewhat freer reign because they're not by any definition in a monopoly position.

Anyway, I saw this ruling and thought it was a joke: The backs of the devices are distinguishable. Really? That's from a supposedly educated judge?

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RE[3]: I'm happy!!!
by Alfman on Thu 19th Jul 2012 18:59 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm happy!!!"
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Your right, the patent system sucks.

"Anyway, I saw this ruling and thought it was a joke: The backs of the devices are distinguishable. Really? That's from a supposedly educated judge?"

I didn't see that actual claim, per say. He said it wasn't copied, not "the backs of devices are distinguishable". Take for example two brands of toilet paper, they may not be distinguishable, but being so generic there's no implication they were "copied" either.

If you took a dozen product designers in seclusion, and had them develop tablet form factors given the same specs, I bet you as many as half of them would be indistinguishable from the back without some kind of additional differential marking. But so what? Generic designs shouldn't be exclusive. Apple likes "simplicity", but that often happens to also be very generic looking as well. There'd have to be something truly unique to warrant giving it any kind of protection, frankly it'd have to be more complex than anything apple has put out in the tablet space.

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