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Windows The moment Microsoft announced it would lock other browsers out of being installed on Windows RT, we all knew regulatory bodies the world over were wringing their hands. Today, this has been confirmed: in the wake of an investigation into Microsoft not complying with the existing antitrust rulings regarding browser choice, the EU has also announced it's investigating Windows 8 x86 and Windows 8 RT (ARM).
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RE[2]: How to restore competition
by adkilla on Thu 19th Jul 2012 09:58 UTC in reply to "RE: How to restore competition"
adkilla
Member since:
2005-07-07

Whether Windows is the only thing viable or not, why can't any consumer or business buy a desktop or laptop without paying for Windows from any major supplier? What if I already have a copy of Windows or need to downgrade to something else? Do you know that there are many enterprises spending money on unused Windows 7 licenses because they can no longer purchase an XP downgrade with each new system they buy?

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Whether Windows is the only thing viable or not, why can't any consumer or business buy a desktop or laptop without paying for Windows from any major supplier? What if I already have a copy of Windows or need to downgrade to something else? Do you know that there are many enterprises spending money on unused Windows 7 licenses because they can no longer purchase an XP downgrade with each new system they buy?


Enterprise customers right now can purchase directly and not have an operating system installed.

Regarding consumers - it has always been a problem and I really can't see much being done to resolve it until there is a way to force vendors to offer a BTO of not having an operating system installed. I know back when i purchased my Dell desktop I requested Windows 98SE not to be installed because I already had a copy of Microsoft Windows 2000 and I was hoping to save a few bucks - sorry, I wasn't allowed to ask for a computer with no operating system. IMHO things won't really improve in that area until there is more transparency also in the pricing of Windows but like the above I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Because believe it or not, it actually probably costs more money to do that, than offer it without.

They have to be stored separately, warehouse room made for them, the inventory system has to be made separately ... etc. etc. etc.

It constantly frustrates me that those who want to run an alternative operating system, won't make the effort to buy from those manufacturers that cater for them.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Because believe it or not, it actually probably costs more money to do that, than offer it without.

They have to be stored separately, warehouse room made for them, the inventory system has to be made separately ... etc. etc. etc.

It constantly frustrates me that those who want to run an alternative operating system, won't make the effort to buy from those manufacturers that cater for them.


The reason that I got from Dell when I tried around 10 years ago was that they test all their hardware against Windows hence I'd assume if they were going to sell blank machines they would have to load Windows, test, then clear the hard disk which takes extra time.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Uhhh...you can? And have been able to for several years now? Go to the HP enterprise website and see for yourself, you can order with Windows, with Red Hat or with no OS at all if you desire. this covers desktops, laptops and servers and last I checked Dell did so as well and I believe so too does Lenovo.

And as for downgrades that is "software assurance" and not only is it 100% legal (since no law says MSFT has to continue supporting products they no longer sell) but any company is free not to buy it if they so choose, they can simply run Win 7 or Linux or whatever they want, they simply can't demand free licenses to old software. BTW I don't like the new Adobe Photoshop, where is the outrage that I can't run the older version that I don't have a license for for free?

As for why they do it that is simple, as someone who has supported those kinds of businesses it is because they developed a mission critical relationship with software that frankly is either poorly supported or in some cases not supported at all anymore. Again that is their choice and MSFT doesn't have to give them a way to run Windows XP at all. In fact last I checked (its been a few years) you could go back as far as Win9X with a SA or MSDN license. I know that I had to keep building new old stock Win2K systems for a company whose graphic designers had tons of in house scripts for Macomedia XRes which took ages to convert over to Coral and Adobe.

So I'm sorry but these complaints are simply crazy. Apple doesn't sell you a license for OSX 10.1 anymore and nobody complains, yet MSFT offers to sell you licenses to old software they haven't sold in years and that is bad? Nobody forces anyone to stick with the old version, nobody forces them to buy Windows over Linux or no OS, it is their choice to do so.

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