Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Jul 2012 18:32 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia just posted its quarterly results - including shipped devices - and it's not looking good. Massive losses, sales dropping, and no growth in Lumia sales in the US. The company is losing money hand-over-fist, and with Windows Phone 8 still months away, the company warns the next quarter will be just as bad.
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Well...
by 1c3d0g on Thu 19th Jul 2012 20:15 UTC
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2005-07-06

...that's what happens when you try to force something down people's throat that NOBODY wants.

Nokia + Android = win. This is such a simple formula, IF they executed it in the beginning, they'd be the biggest smartphone maker by far. Everyone said this is the path to success, but no, Nokia decided to blindly follow Elop's path to failure. Now look at what's happening!

If Nokia continues down the titanic path with MS, they'll just be an interesting footnote in the history of cellphones, nothing more. And that would be a damn shame for all of those who worked so hard to get this once-great company on top. :-(

Edited 2012-07-19 20:15 UTC

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RE: Well...
by tomcat on Thu 19th Jul 2012 21:25 in reply to "Well..."
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2006-01-06

...that's what happens when you try to force something down people's throat that NOBODY wants.


Um, Nokia sold 125M smartphones -- and of those, 4M were Lumias. Clearly, you need to recalibrate your definition of NOBODY.

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by 1c3d0g on Fri 20th Jul 2012 00:42 in reply to "RE: Well..."
1c3d0g Member since:
2005-07-06

When it's a fraction of a percentage of what Android sells daily, I'm pretty confident that you have a serious problem on your hands. Unless of course you think the vast amounts of cash will help Nokia through these turbulent times.

In that case, I hope they'll survive, but most of the time it doesn't matter how much money you have, once the cash flow dies, the company goes down with it. Sooner or later all the cash WILL dry up, period.

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by tony on Fri 20th Jul 2012 03:44 in reply to "RE: Well..."
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2005-07-06

"...that's what happens when you try to force something down people's throat that NOBODY wants.


Um, Nokia sold 125M smartphones -- and of those, 4M were Lumias. Clearly, you need to recalibrate your definition of NOBODY.
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They did not sell 125M smartphones in Q2. They sold 150M phones, 10m where smartphones, and most of those were old Symbian and MeeGo phones (which don't compete with Androids and iPhones directly).

4M Lumia's worldwide, though I wonder if they count sold to stores or in the hands of customers. And that's in a quarter. Apple sold around 38 million iPhones in Q1. Google said in Q2 they activated around 60 million Android devices.

Compared to Apple and Google, 4M is relatively small. Anecdotally, I travel all over North America on a regular basis, and I've yet to see anyone with a Lumia in the wild. See Androids and iPhones all the time.

Edited 2012-07-20 03:49 UTC

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RE: Well...
by MollyC on Fri 20th Jul 2012 03:38 in reply to "Well..."
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2006-07-04

I don't know that Nokia + Android = success.
Android ain't working out for HTC (compare this year's HTC earnings to last year's). In fact, Android is only working out for Samsung.

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by allanregistos on Fri 20th Jul 2012 05:35 in reply to "RE: Well..."
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2011-02-10

I don't know that Nokia + Android = success.
Android ain't working out for HTC (compare this year's HTC earnings to last year's). In fact, Android is only working out for Samsung.


HTC != Nokia. Nokia is known for hardware quality, ie reliability and longevity of a Nokia phone. Nokia is better at designing and producing quality smart phone(look at N9) and their feature phones are known to be of top quality. So going to Android route is guaranteed a success, since Nokia is very well-known brand and the Android name is everywhere. The reason why people buying phones here(at least in my country), is because a phone's OS is Android, regardless of the manufacturer, the evidence is that we now have LG, and a lot of less known brands and local brands that are in the hands of the user because of Android, and Nokia wasn't ONE among them. So Nokia made itself irrelevant in the smartphone era. While they do produce Smartphones with Symbian, but those are VERY expensive, and people now starting to look to cheaper smartphones. I think Nokia did not do their market research.

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by pos3 on Fri 20th Jul 2012 06:11 in reply to "RE: Well..."
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Android + Nokia would have been a runaway success in one of its biggest market India.

Unless wp8 sells in low $100-$200 Nokia is done in India.

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by cdude on Fri 20th Jul 2012 09:12 in reply to "RE: Well..."
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2008-09-21

As you write yourself past year Android worked well out for HTC. They lost huge but its not related to Android vs other platform cause they where rather successful with Android before. Its just that competition, Samsung, took over.

It can happen anytime soon, and as we saw with HTC very fast, that Samsung loses and somebody else takes over the Android lead. All have the same Android, so its the final product, execution and the sales-process which make the difference, not the platform.

In contrast to WP7. There its ALSO the platform. WP7 just failed and so even if you do 100% correct and have 100% of the WP7 sales ruling out all other WP7 competition, you lost. There is nothing Nokia can do but lose. Its not there platform. They cannot change that.

With,Android it would all depend on Nokia. They would have the possibility to be better then competition. Be Android number #1 and win unlike be WP7 number #1 and lose. That is the difference between success and failure, between being able to win and doomed to fail, between shaping your future yourself or depend on somebody else to do it for you. Nokia cannot modiy WP7, they cannot make the upgrade-path from WP7 to WP8 Lumia work, they cannot do anything. With Android they could. Such kind of one-way dependencies where you build up the health of your company on the good will of somebody else are never a good idea. We see why.

Nokia is fighting the wrong war. They fight for ecosystem market share rather then for Nokia market share. They cannot win that war but only lose cause even when WP wins Samsung and HTC are still there but on WP rather then Android (in fact Samsung and HTC sell WP7 devices cause they are not so stupid to fight the wrong war).

Edited 2012-07-20 09:24 UTC

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by dsmogor on Fri 20th Jul 2012 20:47 in reply to "RE: Well..."
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2005-09-01

MS is eating other Android OEMs margins with their extortion campaign while Samsung is pushing aggressively on the HW price level. All while Apple trolls HTC out of their most important market (is HTC able to sell One on US already). No doubt they have problems.
Nokia on the other hand would have been mostly immune to all that.

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