Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Jul 2012 18:32 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia just posted its quarterly results - including shipped devices - and it's not looking good. Massive losses, sales dropping, and no growth in Lumia sales in the US. The company is losing money hand-over-fist, and with Windows Phone 8 still months away, the company warns the next quarter will be just as bad.
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Will Windows 8 change things?
by nej_simon on Fri 20th Jul 2012 09:36 UTC
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Nokia still has cash on the bank and they are burning it to keep running, waiting for Windows 8 to be released. The current line of lumia phones wont be able to save Nokia due to dissapointing sales.

Their only hope now is for the next generation of Windows 8 based lumias to change things. But this is a risky gamble because Windows 8 hasn't exaclty recieved great reviews. And if it becomes impopular quickly after its' launch, similar to Vista, chnances are that this will spill over on WP8 phone sales.

I still hope they'll fire Elop and withdraw from the Microsoft deal. Perhaps they can even buy Jolla to get the competence back to develop and maintain their own OS. They can still have a line of Windows 8 based lumias but they really should have an alternative if they don't sell!

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ricegf Member since:

A smart strategy (before the Feb 11 debacle) would have been:

* "Symbian Forever" at the low end to keep milking that cash cow

* A wide range of quality Android phones in the middle, with Qt baked in to run newer Symbian apps and keep those loyal Nokia customers when they move up

* A modest number of MeeGo phones led by the lavishly praised N9 at the high end - since it already had Qt, toss in Dalvik for Android apps aka RIM's Playbook for across-the-product-line software compatibility.

That was the winning play.

Instead, Olap trashed Symbian on-stage with Ballmer and promised underwhelming me-too Winphones in just under a year.

What to do now? Well, try to influence whether Google or Microsoft buys you. That's about the only option left AFAICT.

I weep in memory of a once great company.

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zima Member since:

S40 is what brought and brings most money. Symbian was hardly a cash cow, just a minor part of what Nokia sold, with quite bad return of investment (seriously, R&D costs for Symbian alone were larger, 2-3 years ago or so, than the entire Apple R&D budget; all for mediocre results) and constantly dwindling unit costs. It was hardly viable already back then.

And "Qt everywhere" sounds nice, but Nokia tried to push people to make Qt apps for Symbian for two years or so, also with a then-solid promise of being able of smoothly move to Maemo/Meego. Hardly any apps resulted, nobody cared.
Things similar to "Qt layer" on top of main OS greatly delay Android upgrades; and here it wouldn't even be in Android-native APIs.

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RE: Will Windows 8 change things?
by cdude on Sun 22nd Jul 2012 06:21 in reply to "Will Windows 8 change things?"
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Also Windows Phone 8 is the very first iteration of the NT Kernel on ARM and mobile with the very first iteration of Metro and the RT API.
I would not expect that this is going anywhere antime soon. Microsoft products tend to need a certain time to become usable. Windows Destop was special in that the foundation was build up over years and just got improved (building a decade up on top to keep backwards compatible) but even ther SP1 was a must. More so when the foundation was improved like with Vista happened to a certain degree. The foundation is just very hard to maintain, fragile, to make changes in and they had to do a lot of changes for RT (probably most,ever done). SP1 for WP7, that is 7.5, still leaves many things unsolved.
With all the changes done and with the rush to bring out the product as soon as possible and with the try to target everything at once plus become with Surface a hardware+software vendor I have no doubt that Windows Phone 8 will be buggy as hell. It may take some quarters more till SP1, that is WP 8.5, is available and so the product becomes usable.

Edited 2012-07-22 06:40 UTC

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