Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Jul 2012 12:23 UTC
Apple "Back in May of this year, Internet security firm Bitdefender launched an app and service designed to help iOS users get a grip on what the apps installed on their mobile devices may be up to. [...] The app tells owners of iOS devices which applications may be accessing more information than they need, and identifies potentially 'misbehaving' apps, giving users an inside look at all the information app developers can gather about a user. [...] Seems legit, right? Apple doesn't think so. Or at least they have an issue with something behind the app that sparked them to pull it from the App Store this week." That seems odd. Why would they do such a thing? "Interestingly, Bitdefender did share some data that they gathered based on Clueful's analysis of more than 65,000 popular iOS apps so far: 42.5 percent of apps do not encrypt users' personal data, even when accessed via public Wi-Fi; 41.4 percent of apps were shown to track a user's location unbeknownst to them; almost one in five of the apps analyzed can access a user's entire Address Book, with some even sending user information to the cloud without notification." Oh, right. Informing users their data is wholly unsafe? Not on Apple's watch!
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RE[2]: simple solution
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 20th Jul 2012 13:59 UTC in reply to "RE: simple solution"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

LOL - with what Android and Google!!


Google gives full insight into what it collects and what it knows about you, and what is associated with your account. You can export and remove information. You have pretty full control over what they have on you - not perfect, but still very good.

Now, these past several months, I've been asking people like you a very simple question, which, for some reason, never gets answered. Let's try again, shall we?

Where can I see the information Apple has on me?

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RE[3]: simple solution
by MOS6510 on Fri 20th Jul 2012 14:06 in reply to "RE[2]: simple solution"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Why don't you just ask Apple instead of Tony? By Dutch law they must let you know what they know so you know too.

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RE[3]: simple solution
by maccouch on Fri 20th Jul 2012 16:55 in reply to "RE[2]: simple solution"
maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14

what info? you keep going on this but what info exactly do you want?

what you bought on the itunes store is right there on your account.

your personal and contact info is in appleid.apple.com

on icloud i assume there is everything you set up to sync through icloud. The time that they are stored on the servers was explained when they presented iCloud itself. (I assume cache in distributed server doesn't count)

what other data has Apple collected on you? i still haven't figure out what exactly are you asking.

you can also try this site: http://www.apple.com/privacy/ and follow the procedures to ask for further data. It should provide a good piece of actual reporting for OSnews.

You keep berating Apple for this "privacy issues" while enthusiastically recomending Google products that actually are known to capture, analyse and store your data. I really don't get this. Apple has a lot of stupid policies and defects to go around, but until now there is no known episode nor policy of massive data mining by them. So what exactly is your issue here?

Edited 2012-07-20 16:56 UTC

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RE[3]: simple solution
by WorknMan on Fri 20th Jul 2012 20:12 in reply to "RE[2]: simple solution"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Google gives full insight into what it collects and what it knows about you, and what is associated with your account.


LMAO, yeah... sure they do. It is probably safe to assume that they're lying to you, as the profit motive is likely to outweigh their desire to be honest. This is the same for MS, Apple, Facebook, and pretty much every other for-profit, publicly traded corporation.

Look, I am an Android user, and am fully in bed with Google, because in this day and age, unless you want to be relegated to the stone age, you pretty much have to get in bed with one of these companies, and I like Google's services the best. Doesn't mean I trust them though ;)

My point? If you (and not you specifically) trust Google anymore than you would the neighborhood pedophile with your children, then you are a f**king moron.

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RE[3]: simple solution
by Tony Swash on Sat 21st Jul 2012 09:44 in reply to "RE[2]: simple solution"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Let's think about this structurally shall we, let's think about business model's, user data, product revenue, and privacy.

On the one hand is a company, Apple, that makes almost all it's money selling actual things to consumers, almost wholly individual rather than corporate consumers. Apple's customers are the people who buy it's things.

On the other hand is a company, Google, that makes almost all it's money selling advertising, advertising whose value is determined by Google's ability to collect data about what people do on their computers, devices and on the internet. Google's customers are those who buy advertising and it's product is data about the behaviour of those who use it's services and a range of free software offerings.

Which business model is more likely to raise issues of user privacy?

Which company, Apple or Google, has just been fined for deliberately and secretly circumventing user privacy settings?

Google's entire business model is based on collecting user information. More worryingly, and deliberately obscured in it's recent financial reports, is the fact that Google's core business is actually deteriorating and has been deteriorating for some time. Which is primarily the reason that Google's has drastically enlarged it's attempts to monetize far more of it's user interaction.

The most important number in Google's quarter? Revenue-per-click was down a whopping 16% year on year. The previous quarter it was down 12% year on year. The one before that down 8% . The dollar paid per click is essentially the price of an ad.

And yet Google's advertising revenue was up. How did they do that? Total ad clicks jumped 42%, because the search results are more and more ads and less and less genuine results. See this graphic comparing a 2008 Google search result vs a 2012 Google search result.

http://www.brianshall.com/sites/default/files/google-search-results...

But obviously they can't continue to increase the advertising density indefinitely, which means this is a one-time boost that masks the underlying deterioration of dollar-per-click. Once that's baked into the year on year the problem will be exposed.

By increasing the ad density they are selling the future in exchange for the temporary illusion of prosperity.

So a company whose core business is collecting user data to sell advertising is under strong commercial pressure to sustain a deteriorating revenue base.

Does that bode well for privacy?

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RE[4]: simple solution
by No it isnt on Sat 21st Jul 2012 12:33 in reply to "RE[3]: simple solution"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Right. When facts are against you, think "structurally" instead, with evidence collected in a dystopian future you made up from the arguments you made up. Structurally, you're arguing in circles.

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RE[4]: simple solution
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 21st Jul 2012 15:50 in reply to "RE[3]: simple solution"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Right. I guess that's why Apple is pimping how it owns 400 million credit card numbers. That's all because it's not pimping out its users. Yessirree.

Stop lying to yourself.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/apples-stash-of-credit-car...

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RE[3]: simple solution
by phoudoin on Sat 21st Jul 2012 14:25 in reply to "RE[2]: simple solution"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

Where can I see the information Apple has on me?

Apple already answered: buy our next device and you will get what you've asked for.
Oh, and this *will* be a revolution.

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