Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 21st Jul 2012 23:06 UTC
In the News Okay, so this is entirely new to me. Sparrow is was an email client for Mac OS X and iOS (and Windows), which brought a decent Gmail experience to these platforms - as opposed to Apple's own not-so-good Gmail support and Google's Gmail iOS application which, well, is just a webpage. Google has now acquired Sparrow, and basically all hell has broken loose, to the point of Rian van der Merwe writing that 'we' lost "faith in a philosophy that we thought was a sustainable way to ensure a healthy future for independent software development, where most innovation happens".
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Gone fishing
Member since:
2006-02-22

It doesn't affect open-source operating systems because they have less than 1% usage on desktops


You really do struggle with logic - Your argument above proposes a cause and effect relationship. That relationship is speculative

So what relevance is?

The desktop *nix user base that isn't OSX has been about 1-2% for the last 10 years. There were more downloads of Windows 7 Beta than the whole ubuntu install base (the Distro which is always ranked within the top 10).


The topic was changed to Microsoft because you like the beat the drum about it constantly.


No I was supporting Nth Mans argument about vendor lock to which you responded with something incoherent, Microsofts embrace extend extinguish strategy is well documented and relevant.

We were quite clearly talking about professionals, not someone that has to do a bit a little bit image manipulation and might require something better than paint.net


Reductio ad absurdum - clearly you have a problem with logic.

Edited 2012-07-23 13:23 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You really do struggle with logic - Your argument above proposes a cause and effect relationship. That relationship is speculative

The point is that if something is popular there is going to be a lot of crapware for it, Fart apps on iOS and there is a lot of crap on the Android App Store.

Same as there is a lot of crap can be downloaded for Windows.

The same reason there are lots of tat whenever there is a Royal Wedding.

I could keep on going.

[q] No I was supporting Nth Mans argument about vendor lock to which you responded with something incoherent, Microsofts embrace extend extinguish strategy is well documented and relevant.


Which has nothing to do with a email client on OSX. Nth man and you like beating the "I hate Microsoft".

The fact of the matter is I seen people's data locked into solutions that are open source, due to the software being shit.

The same reason why other browsers are forced to now implement -webkit extension methods.

But hey, open source magically solves everything</sarcasm>

You can be locked into a particular piece of software whether it is open source or not.

Our entire code-base relies on 3 open source components that development has been dead on. There is no documentation any-more, and there are 3rd party dlls it is built with that the source code has disappeared from the NET and our source code repos a long time ago.

The codebase is far to big for me to reimplement in a sensible time frame.

What I hate is that "oh it opensource it must magically be good" lie that is spread.

Luckily I think I maybe able to decompile, but I will have obfuscated code to deal with ... well at least I can change it.

Tbh if I had any sort of documentation or support (MSDN btw goes back to early 1990s) I would be a happy bunny.

Reductio ad absurdum - clearly you have a problem with logic.


Fuck off with the Latin.

It is dicks like you that ruin the internet.

When a Job specified you need to know Photoshop, knowing GIMP won't help you.

Apparently that is illogical line of thinking according to you ... whatever.

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17


But hey, open source magically solves everything

You can be locked into a particular piece of software whether it is open source or not.

I don't think people here are arguing that open source is completely without faults. And yes you can get locked-in, in many cases escaping should be easier.


Our entire code-base relies on 3 open source components that development has been dead on. There is no documentation any-more, and there are 3rd party dlls it is built with that the source code has disappeared from the NET and our source code repos a long time ago.

Just because the source was available, it doesn't mean that you don't need to take responsibility for managing the dependencies of your project. You're complaining that all you have left are the dlls. You could at some point have kept the source code for the libraries that you needed.

Possibly you could try tracking down developers from the project and ask them for the code?


Fuck off with the Latin.

It is dicks like you that ruin the internet.


Is this really necessary? That is a gross overstatement if I ever heard any....

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Fuck off with the Latin


As I seem to have upset you, it was your argument that went Paint is less good than Photoshop, GIMP is less good than Photoshop therefore GIMP is like Paint - which is non-sense. You will also not that earlier I posted

GIMP is good it may not be as good as Photoshop but is better than most proprietary graphics editors.

For the record I don't hate Microsoft, infact I would argue that they are partially responsible for bringing the PC to the masses, including me, which is a good thing. They also produce some good software MS Office is better than Libre Office, even if I'm unconvinced with the ribbon, In Libre Office Word is better than Writer, Excel is better than Calc and Libre Office doesn't have an alternative to Access. That doesn't mean Libre Office is crap, generally for me it is good enough - but I also have MS Office and Crossover.

It was you who started being offensive and calling people illogical etc, for my part I apologize, I suggest we all get a little less aggressive and chill.

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