Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 21st Jul 2012 23:06 UTC
In the News Okay, so this is entirely new to me. Sparrow is was an email client for Mac OS X and iOS (and Windows), which brought a decent Gmail experience to these platforms - as opposed to Apple's own not-so-good Gmail support and Google's Gmail iOS application which, well, is just a webpage. Google has now acquired Sparrow, and basically all hell has broken loose, to the point of Rian van der Merwe writing that 'we' lost "faith in a philosophy that we thought was a sustainable way to ensure a healthy future for independent software development, where most innovation happens".
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RE[2]: Comment by sicofante
by lucas_maximus on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 19:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by sicofante"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

If earning money [not writing the actual code. Joy of coding, anybody?] is your only motivation for creating and developing software, then you should probobly not do it. Otherwise you will make more harm and damages, than good. You will produce code of low quality, you will release it earlier, you will not test it, and all of this will be the result of one pursue: money. More money, less time to waste, worse code, less time to focus on a code of good quality. Your clients [otherwise called in open source community: users, friends] will suffer data loss, security failures and other unpleasant situations. All because of your greed and ongoing pursue for getting more and more money. You will end up being completely disconnected from the community of the users of your application, your ass will be sued continuously by dissapointed users, and there will be not much joy left.


What an epic fail.

It like saying that every person that has a shop to make money only cares about making money and not their customers. If you have dissatisfied customers, you won't have repeat business.

Daisy Hosting I knew recently lost £500,000 contract with one of the largest charities in the UK

Some of us believe in providing quality code whatever the license is. Just because someone produces code for money doesn't mean they don't enjoy it ... what utter rubbish.

Bespoke proprietary software by agencies that don't care tend to be crap.

But we had a Web based Video library for the website, created by one guy and he did all the support and updates ... was one of the best products I have ever used. Very reliable and we only had the old codec problem.

I recently bought a bike from a bloke, and he was excellent ... cheap shipping (from the UK to Spain), beat the big guys on prices and was really friendly to boot and put in a few extra fun things.

Just because someone is making money doing something doesn't mean they are just in it to make money.

I am sorry you think that every business just wants to screw you over but that just isn't true.

Edited 2012-07-23 19:55 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by sicofante
by marcp on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 20:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by sicofante"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Just because someone is making money doing something doesn't mean they are just in it to make money.


That is NOT what I meant. First: I was not talking about any and every business. Second: I was talking in favor of open source. I was pointing out positive sides of Open Source by giving examples of close source failures. I realize it was some kind of generalization. I'm sure there are some good developers who write excellent code under closed source agreements. However: we don't know how many of them do it, because there is no access to their source code.

Thank you and have a nice day.

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RE[4]: Comment by sicofante
by lucas_maximus on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 21:21 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by sicofante"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

So you were talking in favour while saying everything about open source was a load of rubbish.

You know what that is ... propaganda, FUD or lies.

Have a nice day.

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RE[3]: Comment by sicofante
by Gone fishing on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 20:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by sicofante"
Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Why do you insist on being so aggressive your response has almost nothing to do with marcp's post - epic fail is just rude. Your response is a proprietary software fanboy rant and that is getting very boring.

Edited 2012-07-23 20:34 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by sicofante
by lucas_maximus on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 21:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by sicofante"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

He just generalized every developer that doesn't release their the source code as money grabbing scum.

Sorry, I think that is incredibly rude and not representative of that work producing products and doing our best to write quality software against red tape, deadlines and mismanagement.

So I think it is an epic fail, because he simply believes we are not dedicated. I have myself walked out of a room in front of management because I believe in doing things right, I almost lost my job on that occasion.

I have seen developers work all nighters to get a product that works well, and they write bloody good code.

So don't f--king tell me I am doing some drumbeat about proprietary software.

Quite frankly it is f--king insulting, how you guys speak about developers like myself.

As for me being a fanboy, I actually buy OpenBSD releases, used to be a Linux Admin and now a web developer (first PHP and now ASP.NET) and currently learning Ruby on Rails ... :|

Edited 2012-07-23 21:28 UTC

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