Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 21st Jul 2012 23:06 UTC
In the News Okay, so this is entirely new to me. Sparrow is was an email client for Mac OS X and iOS (and Windows), which brought a decent Gmail experience to these platforms - as opposed to Apple's own not-so-good Gmail support and Google's Gmail iOS application which, well, is just a webpage. Google has now acquired Sparrow, and basically all hell has broken loose, to the point of Rian van der Merwe writing that 'we' lost "faith in a philosophy that we thought was a sustainable way to ensure a healthy future for independent software development, where most innovation happens".
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RE[3]: Comment by sicofante
by Gone fishing on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 20:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by sicofante"
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Why do you insist on being so aggressive your response has almost nothing to do with marcp's post - epic fail is just rude. Your response is a proprietary software fanboy rant and that is getting very boring.

Edited 2012-07-23 20:34 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by sicofante
by lucas_maximus on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 21:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by sicofante"
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He just generalized every developer that doesn't release their the source code as money grabbing scum.

Sorry, I think that is incredibly rude and not representative of that work producing products and doing our best to write quality software against red tape, deadlines and mismanagement.

So I think it is an epic fail, because he simply believes we are not dedicated. I have myself walked out of a room in front of management because I believe in doing things right, I almost lost my job on that occasion.

I have seen developers work all nighters to get a product that works well, and they write bloody good code.

So don't f--king tell me I am doing some drumbeat about proprietary software.

Quite frankly it is f--king insulting, how you guys speak about developers like myself.

As for me being a fanboy, I actually buy OpenBSD releases, used to be a Linux Admin and now a web developer (first PHP and now ASP.NET) and currently learning Ruby on Rails ... :|

Edited 2012-07-23 21:28 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by sicofante
by marcp on Tue 24th Jul 2012 09:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by sicofante"
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Hello again,

As I already said I do realize I generalized the problem. However, the real issue remains unsolved: we have NO access to proprietary code. Nobody can see if it's really good, or if it's just a badly written code.
How would you measure code quality if you don't have an access to the source? DO you want to judge upon such factors as "stability"? Well, this can be accomplished by using dirty hacks, tricks inside the code. Everything runs just fine, but the code is NOT good, which is something you should already know as an OpenBSD user [I am an OpenBSD user and OpenBSD [3rd party] software developer myself, so I thought we should share the same point here].

As of the other things you mentioned: I do not say that every proprietary code developer writes "crap". I just say we have no ways to see what's the real value of proprietary code.

Bye and sorry it it makes you angry. That was not the point. It was and is all about access, knowledge and quality.

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