Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 25th Jul 2012 22:18 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes The article I'm about to link to, by Oliver Reichenstein, is pretty terrible, but it's a good way for me to bring up something I've been meaning to talk about. First, the article: "Apple has been working on its file system and with iOS it had almost killed the concept of folders - before reintroducing them with a peculiar restriction: only one level! With Mountain Lion it brings its one folder level logic to OSX. What could be the reason for such a restrictive measure?" So, where does this crusade against directory structures (not file systems, as the article aggravatingly keeps stating) come from?
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BeOS
by henderson101 on Wed 25th Jul 2012 22:30 UTC
henderson101
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2006-05-30

Thom - BeOS live queries. This is how I used to find files. It was rare for me to traverse file structures. MacOS X Spotlight, I don't need to know where a file is. Windows, well, on 7 I have a few folders pinned that have my useful files in them. Do I know how to use a file system? Yes. Do I feel compelled to complicate my file storage? No.

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RE: BeOS
by phoudoin on Wed 25th Jul 2012 23:20 in reply to "BeOS"
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2006-06-09

Even if I myself do used BeOS and still does use Haiku, it's not rare for me to traverse file structures.
For a simple reason: I don't create the whole set of files and folders, and often the structure itself is part of a "larger thing", not just a bunch of disconnected files but a way to structure the relation between them, too.

Like... source tree.

Anyone having to work on a large flat (all in one folder) source code knows how stupid is it. And, in such case, no smart search tool can recreate the missing bits, because these bits, this missing structure, has *semantic* value, not just a technical arrangement.

Wait.
Dumbification/beingidiotproof/ourwayorthehighway?
Oh.

Okay, then. Who am I to think I can actually do better job than a computing device. Or just want to try it, to keep control on the way I use these tools, while clearly these tools deserve to have a dumber user compliant with their *innovating* way.
Please update my iBrain, I'm ready to "think different" (and grammatically, wrong, BTW).
Go.
Charge me (pun intended ;-) )

Edited 2012-07-25 23:29 UTC

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RE[2]: BeOS
by PlunderBunny on Wed 25th Jul 2012 23:58 in reply to "RE: BeOS"
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2009-02-19

You do realise that this one-level directory restriction applies only to documents saved in iCloud, don't you? Saving files on your Mac hard disk continues to work the way it always has.

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RE: BeOS
by lelutin on Thu 26th Jul 2012 06:10 in reply to "BeOS"
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2008-07-17

Do I know how to use a file system? Yes. Do I feel compelled to complicate my file storage? No.


right!

searching for files without a hierarchical structure is not a new concept, and Apple didn't invent it. It has been fermenting in the heads of researchers for a while, and it has actually been integrated into some applications already.

I must agree that simply removing structure just makes things more complicated. we've seen in apps like notmuch that using only tags can work fantastically for some people, but fails utterly for others. maybe the combination of hierarchy and chaos is the best option (think thunderbird 3+, BeFS ...)

files in such an environment can be searched by file name, mime type, ownership, permissions, arbitrary tags, size, content, age, in fact any data or metadata you can think about a file.

are you using "find" a lot on linux to execute commands over files selectively? imagine having that sort of nit-picking functionality in any command that accesses files. (e.g. rm tag:naughty_content age:"more than 3 weeks" type:avi; mplayer tag:naughty_content type:avi age:"15 minutes")

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RE[2]: BeOS
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 26th Jul 2012 06:46 in reply to "RE: BeOS"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

searching for files without a hierarchical structure is not a new concept, and Apple didn't invent it. It has been fermenting in the heads of researchers for a while, and it has actually been integrated into some applications already.

Yeah. It's been a staple of DOS and CP/M as well as obscenely obsolete versions of MacOS (then known generically as System Software) before it. Too bad Apple can't be granted a shiny new patent on this wonderful new... uh... step back in time, functionality, technology, flexibility, and organization.

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