Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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Gnome Shell is fantastic*
by MacMan on Fri 27th Jul 2012 13:09 UTC
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Member since:
2006-11-19

Gnome shell is fantastic..... once you install various PPAs to get the latest builds, PPAs to get user themes extensions, and of course tweak tool.

Gnome shell is build on a incredibly flexible and customizable framework, the MASSIVE PROBLEM is the default settings for lack of a better term, suck ass, .. and donkey too.

The so desperately NEED TO HAVE TWEAK TOOL INTEGRATED INTO CONTROL PANEL! and user themes need to be part of the default install.

Gnome shell allows for insane levels of customizability via javascript, but this insanity of hiding all of this fantastic work is well, just insane.

On a side note, the only other thing really missing, is a drag and drop way of adding non-repository apps to the app view and dock, sort of like Mac has had since freaking 1984 and Windows have had since what 1990? For example, I grab the latest eclipse, because the one in the repos is ancient. Then I either have to edit some dammed .desktop files, or open up the dammed menu editor, this is crazy.

NeXT beautifully solved this in 1993, when a folder has a .app file extension, the file manager, (Nautilus, Dolphin, Finder, whatever) looks inside for a config file that says what icon this 'app' should use, and what the executable is. That freaking simple. Basically, a self-contained .desktop file. This is all you need for drag and drop installs. This idea of self contained apps is also completely desktop independent.

Why don't I help?, well, I've fixed numerous bugs in the current builds of Gnome shell + extensions, but as a grad student, sadly, I don't have a great deal of time to devote to ... anything.

So, Gnome Shell is a fantastic environment, please stop hiding all this goodness. Its so ridiculously simple to have self contained, desktop independent apps, all we need is some people to agree on this.

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RE: Gnome Shell is fantastic*
by ple_mono on Fri 27th Jul 2012 18:29 in reply to "Gnome Shell is fantastic*"
ple_mono Member since:
2005-07-26

Gnome shell is build on a incredibly flexible and customizable framework, the MASSIVE PROBLEM is the default settings for lack of a better term, suck ass, .. and donkey too.

The so desperately NEED TO HAVE TWEAK TOOL INTEGRATED INTO CONTROL PANEL! and user themes need to be part of the default install.

Gnome shell allows for insane levels of customizability via javascript, but this insanity of hiding all of this fantastic work is well, just insane.


I must agree about the possibiliteis of gnome-shell. Gnome did however alienate a great many users by not supporting a fully functional replica of the gnome2 layout/desktop with gnome3 though. The fallback did fall far short of being a polished alternative to the old desktop. If they had done that from the start, people could have been eased in to the gnome-shell rather than forced as it is now.

On a side note, the only other thing really missing, is a drag and drop way of adding non-repository apps to the app view and dock, sort of like Mac has had since freaking 1984 and Windows have had since what 1990? For example, I grab the latest eclipse, because the one in the repos is ancient. Then I either have to edit some dammed .desktop files, or open up the dammed menu editor, this is crazy.

NeXT beautifully solved this in 1993, when a folder has a .app file extension, the file manager, (Nautilus, Dolphin, Finder, whatever) looks inside for a config file that says what icon this 'app' should use, and what the executable is. That freaking simple. Basically, a self-contained .desktop file. This is all you need for drag and drop installs. This idea of self contained apps is also completely desktop independent.

Why don't I help?, well, I've fixed numerous bugs in the current builds of Gnome shell + extensions, but as a grad student, sadly, I don't have a great deal of time to devote to ... anything.

I fully agree about the current application (binary/data) model needs to be replaced or augmented (lets call it modernized, shall we?), this is not a gnome issue though.

So, Gnome Shell is a fantastic environment, please stop hiding all this goodness. Its so ridiculously simple to have self contained, desktop independent apps, all we need is some people to agree on this.

Indeed. If the gnome "people" (for lack of a better term) would've "pleased" the masses from the get-go, mint and ubuntu might still be using gnome, and the mindshare wouldn't be lost. It's a damn mess right now. If you design a theme you need to do unity/gtk2/gtk3/metacity/mutter/gnome/shell adjustments for both themes and icon sets. I'm sure that applies to development practises as well (quick lists, indicators, applets etc). Fragmentation much?
It's too bad because gnome-shell is tight, integrated, fairly minimalistic, snappy and modular. But i'm afraid it's already too late. The momentum might already be lost.

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RE: Gnome Shell is fantastic*
by Risthel on Mon 30th Jul 2012 12:08 in reply to "Gnome Shell is fantastic*"
Risthel Member since:
2010-12-22

And it lacks a little thing: Speed.

Damn, this thing is sluggish on my e350 AMD processor.

I know i don't have a "top" hardware, but KDE with all functionalities and Kontact syncing contacts and mails with Gmail, kwallet enabled, amarok launching at the startup and facebook widgets, works a way more faster than Gnome3.

And yes, my video driver is correctly installed.

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