Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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boudewijn
Member since:
2006-03-05

I really wonder what you are doing then... There must be something rather particular that you _always_ do within ten minutes that causes a crash. I wonder if it would be possible for you to make a video of your first ten minutes until the crash so we can try to figure out what that particular action that most other people don't execute is.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I've had the same thing happen (KDE crashes/locks up after 10-20 minutes) and that was on bare metal, Arch Linux, and Intel video hardware. I popped in an Nvidia card and even with the binary driver it would crash or lock up, so that ruled out video issues. I gave up and went back to Xfce on that machine (which has since been retired). That was less than a year ago.

And this wasn't cheap slap-together hardware. I learned a very long time ago to buy workstation-class hardware from HP, Dell and Lenovo exclusively for production machines. This was an HP business class desktop that was rock-solid under Windows and any Linux DE/WM apart from KDE.

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boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

Yes.. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, and I do have a certain confirmation bias here, because of the eight laptops in this house, seven are lenovo, one is asus and all of them plus the desktop have an intel card, so not much variety, but nobody has a crashing plasma desktop. That, and the fact that millions of people do use KDE4 daily, does mean that plasma crashing is not the usual thing, which in turn means that investigation is needed to figure out why that crashes for you and werecatf.

Unfortunately, I'm just a lowly application developer myself, so I don't track the plasma bugs. But if you have a bug with a backtrace, maybe I can get some bright idea about what's going on anyway :-)

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Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

> I've had the same thing happen (KDE crashes/locks up after
> 10-20 minutes)

Hi!

I just wanted to say that KDE and Kubuntu work in a stable way in four computers that I manage and in two computers that manages an acquaintance of mine.

There's a "VirtualBox disk image of Kubuntu 11.04 i386 Desktop, stable version" on
http://min.us/mX2I0UnLl
to conduct experiments on it.

I usually also employ a copy of it as a virtual machine and it works stably.

Using a virtual machine, we avoid the problems of drivers that need development, driver developments that need funding, companies that hide details of their hardware and so it hinders driver developments, etc.

About it, there is a README.txt on http://min.us/lrL47umKRwqLn

If you have any doubt, on this thread you can make questions. Thanks!

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I really wonder what you are doing then... There must be something rather particular that you _always_ do within ten minutes that causes a crash. I wonder if it would be possible for you to make a video of your first ten minutes until the crash so we can try to figure out what that particular action that most other people don't execute is.


Well, usually it's just the simple action of moving the taskbar/panel to the top of the screen instead of bottom that tends to crash Plasma. No idea why.

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boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

Me neither... Half my employees have their panel up top, one on the left and the rest at the bottom. I just tried it and no crash. Do you have a bug with a backtrace? As I said just now, I'm not a plasma developer, but who know, I might be able to figure something out. It cannot be harder than figuring out why some wacom drivers on windows work fine with krita, and others make krita enormously slow... (Not that I managed to figure out why that happens either, more's the pity).

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Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

Hi!

There's a "VirtualBox disk image of Kubuntu 11.04 i386 Desktop, stable version" on
http://min.us/mX2I0UnLl
to conduct experiments on it.

I usually employ a copy of it as a virtual machine and it works stably.

I've tried to launch it, move the taskbar/panel to the top of the screen ( following the steps of http://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/6/66/Plasma_howto-panel-mov... ), do my usual operations ( but inside of that machine ) and a lot of minutes later, it hasn't crashed and continues working while I keep on doing what I had to do.

If you have any doubt, on this thread you can make questions.

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