Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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I've had the same thing happen (KDE crashes/locks up after 10-20 minutes) and that was on bare metal, Arch Linux, and Intel video hardware. I popped in an Nvidia card and even with the binary driver it would crash or lock up, so that ruled out video issues. I gave up and went back to Xfce on that machine (which has since been retired). That was less than a year ago.

And this wasn't cheap slap-together hardware. I learned a very long time ago to buy workstation-class hardware from HP, Dell and Lenovo exclusively for production machines. This was an HP business class desktop that was rock-solid under Windows and any Linux DE/WM apart from KDE.

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boudewijn Member since:

Yes.. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, and I do have a certain confirmation bias here, because of the eight laptops in this house, seven are lenovo, one is asus and all of them plus the desktop have an intel card, so not much variety, but nobody has a crashing plasma desktop. That, and the fact that millions of people do use KDE4 daily, does mean that plasma crashing is not the usual thing, which in turn means that investigation is needed to figure out why that crashes for you and werecatf.

Unfortunately, I'm just a lowly application developer myself, so I don't track the plasma bugs. But if you have a bug with a backtrace, maybe I can get some bright idea about what's going on anyway :-)

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Morgan Member since:

I know this will sound crazy, but I think in my case it was a KMS thing, because on that same system, Gnome 3 refused to run with gnome-shell and went into fallback mode, which then immediately crashed as well. It crashed more gracefully, dumping X altogether and putting me back at the command line (I rarely use a login manager). In KDE, instead of dumping X it locked up the video frame buffer (as near as I can tell) and I had to force kill X from another login shell.

After a couple of kernel updates, I was finally able to get Gnome to launch properly in gnome-shell on both the Intel GMA and the Nvidia card. I still had lockups in KDE though.

Again, this was all about a year ago on hardware I've since reloaded with Windows and sold to a client, so unfortunately I can't provide a bug report. I also have stopped using Arch Linux altogether for unrelated reasons.

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Nth_Man Member since:

> I've had the same thing happen (KDE crashes/locks up after
> 10-20 minutes)


I just wanted to say that KDE and Kubuntu work in a stable way in four computers that I manage and in two computers that manages an acquaintance of mine.

There's a "VirtualBox disk image of Kubuntu 11.04 i386 Desktop, stable version" on
to conduct experiments on it.

I usually also employ a copy of it as a virtual machine and it works stably.

Using a virtual machine, we avoid the problems of drivers that need development, driver developments that need funding, companies that hide details of their hardware and so it hinders driver developments, etc.

About it, there is a README.txt on

If you have any doubt, on this thread you can make questions. Thanks!

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