Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 29th Jul 2012 10:48 UTC
Legal Groklaw nails it: "In other words, [Apple and Microsoft] want to disarm the companies that got there first, built the standards, and created the field, while the come-later types clean up on patents on things like slide to unlock or a tablet shape with rounded corners. Then the money flows to Apple and Microsoft, and away from Android - and isn't that really the point of all this, to destroy Android by hook or by crook? The parties who were in the mobile phone business years before Apple or Microsoft even thought about doing it thus get nothing much for their earlier issued patents that have become standards. Apple and Microsoft can't compete on an even field, because the patent system rewards the first to invent (or now, after the recent patent reform, the first to file). Neither Apple nor Microsoft got there first. Samsung was there, since the '90s." To illustrate: Apple is demanding $24 (!) per Samsung device for design patents, while at the same time, Apple also demands that Samsung does not charge more than $0.0049 per standards essential patent per device. This is absolutely, utterly, and entirely indefensible. And then Apple and its supporters have the nerve to claim Samsung is ripping them off. Yes, this pisses me off, and no, that's not because it's Apple doing it (Microsoft is just as guilty). It's because this is plainly, utterly, clearly, and intrinsically unfair.
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Comment by NuxRo
by NuxRo on Sun 29th Jul 2012 12:43 UTC
NuxRo
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2010-09-25

I do agree it's a tricky issue and maybe it was unfair to ask this of Thom. Sorry, Thom.

However, to make a point: the Nazi Panzer tanks were arguably the best of their time. Great technical achievements.

I'll go boycotting M$ and Apple on my own.

Cheerio!

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RE: Comment by NuxRo
by Nico57 on Mon 30th Jul 2012 00:10 in reply to "Comment by NuxRo"
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2006-12-18

German panzers. (And Nazi officers.)

There's no political inclination in a bunch of steel plates.

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RE[2]: Comment by NuxRo
by lucas_maximus on Mon 30th Jul 2012 21:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by NuxRo"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Well what other army used them?

Other than that ... way to go guys lets Godwin the thread at level 1.

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RE[2]: Comment by NuxRo
by zima on Fri 3rd Aug 2012 22:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by NuxRo"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

German panzers. (And Nazi officers.)

There's no political inclination in a bunch of steel plates.

Or is it? Vast majority of those tanks quite possibly wouldn't be around if it weren't for the Nazis (well, and the Soviets - because they would probably attack Poland, like they did together with the Nazis in IX'39, all by themselves eventually ...likely not stopping there), and for the industry building them that was largely composed of slave labour and so on.

So there is some point in naming them like that, reminding about history, what led to the very existence of those tanks.

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RE: Comment by NuxRo
by phoudoin on Mon 30th Jul 2012 08:58 in reply to "Comment by NuxRo"
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2006-06-09

For once, a Godwin point which *is* a valid argument.

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RE[2]: Comment by NuxRo
by lucas_maximus on Mon 30th Jul 2012 21:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by NuxRo"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

yes, because mobile phone operating systems are exactly like the extermination of the jews, the burning of the books ... I could go on.

I am sorry but the last two generations in the Western world haven't really experienced any real oppressive forces so we make them up ... to make ourselves feel important.

Edited 2012-07-30 21:14 UTC

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RE: Comment by NuxRo
by zima on Thu 2nd Aug 2012 21:12 in reply to "Comment by NuxRo"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

to make a point: the Nazi Panzer tanks were arguably the best of their time. Great technical achievements.

Why Godwin it so soon?

And, arguably, German WW2 tanks weren't the best. Particularly the earlier ones, used during their greatest successes, and fielded in largest numbers, were nothing out of ordinary - it was more about better training, coordination, command skills, and such. IIRC Germany was the only one really earnestly doing combat exercises pre-WW2 (that included air force cooperation, realistic communication situations, actively working to rectify observed problems). They were almost-battle-hardened before the war even started; such factors are mostly what created the conventional wisdom, myth of German tanks superiority.

But when it comes to design achievement of the period, the laurel possibly belongs to... T-34 - this one was pretty much what showed everybody how to make a proper tank during WW2.
Check out opening quotations of Germany's best in http://www.achtungpanzer.com/t34.htm (and generally at least the opening section of that page), with some additional impressions of Colonel-General Heinz Guderian, Commander of Second Panzer Army in http://www.theeasternfront.co.uk/Commanders/german/guderian.htm (search "T-34" in that page).
In one of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Zaloga works: "The technological pace-setter of World War II tank design."
And it might be even still kinda used, here and there ;p

As for later German tanks... Tigers are definitely overrated, they had very unbalanced characteristics (notably leading to quite poor mobility, IIRC most of them lost due to being stuck, or disabled by related mechanical breakage; not powerful enough to drive themselves out, to climb slopes which T-34 for example could routinely overcome).
Panzer V Panther - yeah that one (not "German tanks" in general) would be a good contender for the laurel, better overall at the time of its introduction ...but largely because it drew on T-34.

Edited 2012-08-02 21:17 UTC

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