Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 29th Jul 2012 10:48 UTC
Legal Groklaw nails it: "In other words, [Apple and Microsoft] want to disarm the companies that got there first, built the standards, and created the field, while the come-later types clean up on patents on things like slide to unlock or a tablet shape with rounded corners. Then the money flows to Apple and Microsoft, and away from Android - and isn't that really the point of all this, to destroy Android by hook or by crook? The parties who were in the mobile phone business years before Apple or Microsoft even thought about doing it thus get nothing much for their earlier issued patents that have become standards. Apple and Microsoft can't compete on an even field, because the patent system rewards the first to invent (or now, after the recent patent reform, the first to file). Neither Apple nor Microsoft got there first. Samsung was there, since the '90s." To illustrate: Apple is demanding $24 (!) per Samsung device for design patents, while at the same time, Apple also demands that Samsung does not charge more than $0.0049 per standards essential patent per device. This is absolutely, utterly, and entirely indefensible. And then Apple and its supporters have the nerve to claim Samsung is ripping them off. Yes, this pisses me off, and no, that's not because it's Apple doing it (Microsoft is just as guilty). It's because this is plainly, utterly, clearly, and intrinsically unfair.
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Disarm the companies that got there first
by tommytrc on Sun 29th Jul 2012 12:45 UTC
tommytrc
Member since:
2012-07-29

I'm confused by this. Android 1.5 was released in April 2009, while the original iPhone was released in June 2007, almost 2 full years ahead. Sure hardware makers have been making phones for a lot longer than apple, but it was the Android OS that got them traction in the smart phone space. Who got there first?

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Lorin Member since:
2010-04-06

Android Inc was purchased by Google in 2005, so Android existed long before IOS, it just was not yet ready for release.

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tommytrc Member since:
2012-07-29

I'm still confused on the timeline and information. So if the original iPhone was released 4 months before the Open Handset Alliance was even formed, How did Apple steal their hardware or even software knowledge. I'm just confused as to how long it took to develop IOS and why do people really think Apple came second to the IOS/Android game?

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thavith_osn Member since:
2005-07-11

Android existed before the iPhone was released, but you must realise that the iPhone and the software on it existed before the iPhone was released as well...

Jobs said they first looked at this stuff in 2004, so a "touch" OS was in the works as far back as then. Android Inc. started in Oct, 2003 but I'm not sure when work on a "touch" version of the OS started, but obviously before Nov, 2007 when the beta was released.

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Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm confused by this. Android 1.5 was released in April 2009, while the original iPhone was released in June 2007, almost 2 full years ahead. Sure hardware makers have been making phones for a lot longer than apple, but it was the Android OS that got them traction in the smart phone space. Who got there first?

Whole article is about the fundamental hardware that powers these devices (no, not their CPU, that could be anything…), and that tech is mostly from Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, HTC.

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cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Same is valid for the software. Nokia created the first smartphone 10 years before.

Same is valid for the design. I remember sorted icons on a desktop during my good old Amiga times.

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Whole article is about the fundamental hardware that powers these devices (no, not their CPU, that could be anything…), and that tech is mostly from Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, HTC.


Whilst what is happening to HTC today is unfair, HTC definitely isn't in the same category as the other companies you list. They also were the beneficiaries when MS decided to screw over Sendo.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Who got there first?


RIM.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know about RIM ...why they were counted among smartphones, anyway? The apps are even j2me.

That leaves the provided service - but nothing stops such from being implemented in what are traditionally considered "feature phones" (and indeed some of them got similar integration, in the meantime)

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