Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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RE[5]: Well
by cdude on Sun 29th Jul 2012 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Well"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

Android is the base for lot of projects run completely by volunteers who offer modified Android versions for hardware not even the manufactors themself support any longer. Most code in Android was or is done by communities, volunteers, other companies then google. That are facts.

As I wrote: if the problem is that its not you controlling development then fork it. Android is FLOSS so you can!

You also seem to confuse Android with Google Ads and draw somehow the conclusion Android is unfree. I still do not follow you on that but like to ask you something related: The SELinux security-framework was done by the NSA. They know lots about you and me. More then google and Microsoft combined cause they have access to there data and much more. So, is Linux unfree for you too?

Also would it become free/us if you fork Android? If yes, then something is wrong in your logic. If not, why not?

You claim forking is absurd cause nobody can remove all the "data mining" from Android? Do you try to be serious or is that a joke? If you try to be serious and now that we know you CAN code, please point me to one single file in Android JB that contains data mining. There must be billions if they cannot be removed. But personally I think you just have no clue what you are talking about (actually I know you not have cause I know the Android code). Please prove me wrong by providing one single link to a source file. Only one.

But it becomes better. You would take MS over Android? A closed system where you not even have access to the sourcecode, cannot control, cannot fork, have no control, rights or possibilities at all? Muhaha. What a bad joke.

Edited 2012-07-29 18:19 UTC

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RE[6]: Well
by BluenoseJake on Mon 30th Jul 2012 00:44 in reply to "RE[5]: Well"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

ok, a couple of things...

As I wrote: if the problem is that its not you controlling development then fork it. Android is FLOSS so you can!


As I said, expecting Me or any normal android user to fork Android is absurd. It might be FLOSS, but i can't do that, I am not capable in any reasonable amount of time, and the same goes for most of Androids users.

It's a common cry of the Linux enthusiast, but it is an unreasonable expectation. The vast majority of potential users are not capable of fixing bugs, or changing functionality, or managing an OSS project.

Repeating it does not change that.

You also seem to confuse Android with Google Ads and draw somehow the conclusion Android is unfree. I still do not follow you on that but like to ask you something related: The SELinux security-framework was done by the NSA. They know lots about you and me. More then google and Microsoft combined cause they have access to there data and much more. So, is Linux unfree for you too?


Who said Linux wasn't free. With Linux, I have the choice to disable SELinux, or not install it at all. With Android, the whole thing comes from Google, just like Windows comes from MS. Android is free, but like MS, Google is a publicly traded company, and ultimately beholden to it's shareholders, not it's customers. It may not be free forever, and it may be totally integrated with the cloud soon, useless with out Google's servers behind it.

Is anyone capable of forking it going to be able to afford to build the infrastructure to handle millions of peoples pictures movies, texts, emails, blah blah blah?

But it becomes better. You would take MS over Android? A closed system where you not even have access to the sourcecode, cannot control, cannot fork, have no control, rights or possibilities at all? Muhaha. What a bad joke.


I don't trust MS more than Google, but every time they turn around somebody is crying OMFG!!! ANTITRUST!!!! I just think that as companies, their motivations are different. MS makes it money on Windows and Office. They'll screw over their partners, bully OEMs, give IE away for free, whatever to sell Windows, and we've suffered a bit for it, there is no denying it. Google however, makes it's money on Ads, and does that through it's search engine, it's toolbar, it's webmail service, it's browser, Ads are the reason Google exists. The more data it has, the more target its ads can become, the more money it can make.

I use Android, I just got a shiny Galaxy Note. I love it. But that doesn't mean I want Android on my desktop, because I do different things on my desktop then my phone, none of which I want Google snooping about.

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